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Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:47 am

pantswagen wrote: i think you need to take note that, the 228mm clutched flywheels have the ring gear in a different location than the 210
-this in turn would suggest that the 5/6mm longer pinion starter motors, 'should' only work in these casting?
maybe there is 5/6mm extra meat in the starter mount location, pushing the starter gear 5/6mm away from the engine, and the pinion kind of still being in the correct place -ie not sticking out of the gearbox mounting face, making the engine not sit flush

:roll:

Yeah, I should have mentioned that the 091's (which all used the 228mm flywheel) have their own starter motor that must be used with the 091 bellhousings.

However, I have read somewhere that the area where the starter motor bolts up to the bellhousing can be milled down so you can use a regular T1 starter, but I can't remember how much has to be milled down. Does anyone else know?

Daniel

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:35 pm

Here is a good article about clutches by Glenn. Very useful info, and it goes into more detail than my post about throwout bearings...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148307&start=0

Daniel

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:24 pm

mazda rotary bell housing onto a 091?

how spooky when you read this, that mzda rotary's use a 215 and a 225mm clutch friction plate

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=82871
-hello

091 box, simply bolt a rx-8 bell on, use the 225 flywheel and a 228 vw friction plate

bob being your uncle

Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:28 am

pantswagen wrote: mazda rotary bell housing onto a 091?

how spooky when you read this, that mzda rotary's use a 215 and a 225mm clutch friction plate

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=82871
-hello

091 box, simply bolt a rx-8 bell on, use the 225 flywheel and a 228 vw friction plate

bob being your uncle

I'm afraid it wouldn't be that simple...

Daniel

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:24 am

Can Someone tell me what nose cone i need to do this ,have a 091 82' Vanagon going into a Trike project to be used with a type 4 engine. thanks for any help. Buddy
091-Side Shift
This is the one that can be converted to nose shift.
Essentially the same as the Bus 091 and can be converted to nose shift.
Found in '80-'83 Vanagons with the T4 engine.
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/209069.jpg

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:44 pm

Read these threads from Shoptalkforums.com, and they should cover your questions...

http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=79976&highlight=side+shift

http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=96524&highlight=side+shift

Daniel

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:09 pm

Just a point, the automatic you have shown is an 010 from a type 2

Shown again here at http://www.subaruvanagon.com/

The type 3, type 4 and early type 2 use the 003 automatic, with the type 2 using a different diff housing similar to the 010 automatic

003 automatic (from type 3) mounted to EJ22

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Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:28 pm

A better view of the 003

An early 003, note the mounts absent on the bellhousing and bolts around the drive flanges. Photo source http://www.stormseeker.org/VW/vrod/old_blog/blog1.htm

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Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:47 pm

This is the manual transmission from the 411/412, these have the offset diff similar to the automatic. They have the pinion on the bellhousing side of the gearbox with the input shaft running through the pinion shaft similar to the 003 automatic.

Sorry I don't have some better photos

Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:32 pm

Thanks for those pics and info. I was going to cover that at some point, but the time hasn't been available for me to research it.

Thanks for helping out with that... 8)

Daniel

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:40 pm

Some better photos of the type 4 transaxle

Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:09 am

Daniel G wrote: Bus IRS Swap. Info to be added at a later date.

I was unable to find any info on this. I am change from sedan IRS tranny to a 3 rib (earily model) bus tranny.

I have a rail buggy with a sedan tranny and 1600cc engine with IRS rear 2x3. The tranny would not go into 1st or 3rd gear . So I decided that 3 rib would be better for hill climbs and muddin because they are stronger. I felt i could just swap out the tranny and go, and use the sedan ( bug) parts on it .
Well being new to the rail Buggy world , I found out that this is a major change and will cost you a good penny to do. I was wanting to do this as cheap as possible.

Here is the list of things so far i needed to buy to do the swap:
1. Bus tranny kit - $55.00
2. shifter adapter ( puts the shifter down to the right hight) - 20.00
3. 2 bus cv`s joint - 50.00 each
4. 2 tubes of high temp grease - 3.00 each
5. 2 bus boots - 10.00 each
6. 12 bus bolts - 1.00 each (longer than bug)
7. 2 - bus to bug chassis axles 15 5/8" - 240.00 pr

8. 3 rib bus tranny - 300.00

I plan to run bus cv`s on the inner and sedan cv`s on the outers to save some money. Concerned about the angle though!?

I was told that I could save money by using the sedan axles and take them to machine shop to machine the so the bus cv will fit ( bus cv is fatter 1/8") and also take the stub axles there have the redrill new holes for the bus cv to fit. You would have to use bus on both sides of the axles then.
Other wise you need to buy the stub bus axles too which about 200.00 for the pr.

I have been surfing the net for answers about this conversion because it seems like it others have done it but not really finding any specific write ups about it. If you know of one send it to me!

Thanks,

67fastback

Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:39 am

2x3's you should need stock bus axls . about 20 dollers or free .

Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:55 pm

vw505 wrote: 2x3's you should need stock bus axls . about 20 dollers or free .

is this the 2x3?
?

Stock Bus are 16 1/4" long and this site says i need the 15 5/8" for the bus to bug chassis conversion.
http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/Parts.asp?CN=916&SN=2&GN=4

wow $20 or free! where can I find those! I was quoted 240 bucks for the 16 1/4" ones.

where can I get a set

Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:07 pm

67fastback wrote: Stock Bus are 16 1/4" long and this site says i need the 15 5/8" for the bus to bug chassis conversion.
http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/Parts.asp?CN=916&SN=2&GN=4

wow $20 or free! where can I find those! I was quoted 240 bucks for the 16 1/4" ones.

where can I get a set

the 15-5/8" are to use a bus transmission with bug trailing arms. and $20 is a cheap price for used axles that can be found at a wrecking yard or in the classifieds here on thesamba.

Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:19 pm

all you can do is ask, if some one needed a set of stock bus axls (that i have two sets of) i would give one up for 20 bucks and shipping . that is for a bro trying to get his stuff running i'm not here to make a mint but to help out the next guy .

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:09 am

Does the 411/412 gearbox fit to a late (72) IRS type 3?
I would like to use it in a fastback with a wasserboxer engine.

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:40 pm

pantswagen wrote: why no one hasn't cast the tail/nose cone so the shifter is lower, for the use in beetles - stock - i'll never know?
-surely you just drill , cut off existing, and weld in new local?
-cos of ccccccccourse, thems boxes although alloy, would have a lesser mag content than type 1 - easier to weld :lol:
-and you would never have to worry about exploding grinding discs, when clearancing ever again
-and you wouldn't have to search for 210mm clutched 130 toothen flywheels - notice i didn't say bigger flywheel!

http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?name=BUS%20600A%20and%20BUS%20600L%20Adapter&cPath=363

Gene Berg also made these years ago, but discontinued the part for over 20 years. They now make two versions again that I understand work very well. I'll be using one to run a bus tranny and 2.0L in my long buggy.

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:46 pm

Im making a buggy and have an old style T/O bearing set up on the swing axle trans. I converted the rear end from swing to IRS and the new trans has a new style T/O bearing. What can I do to make my engine fit with the new IRS tranny?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:24 am

so if i want a 6 rib with the 10degree mount what do i have to do? i'm confused (me not being a mechanic)