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Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:04 am

splitpile wrote: As well as a lot of LR stuff is lower in quality, he has helped keep the industry alive by giving people a chance to enjoy the VW life with out giving up every penny they have.
I am sure a lot of you here bought parts from Johnneys Speed and Chrome when you first got into VW's (I know I did) and now sware by BERG stuff.

I completley agree. There IS a market for cheap parts no matter how much you may like it or not. People can't always pay for the most expensive parts, and if they have to buy a cheaper part to keep thier VW on the road, or more importantly, keep another person in the hobby of VW's, then it is a good thing.

I mean, unless we want to make this an elitest type of organization so that only the few that can afford the best parts can be apart of it........

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:15 am

[quote="Marty Staggs"] kekonaiii wrote: Nicksan wrote: .One last item some would say they rather pay a little more for something made in the USA.. Price out a Moldex crankshaft, it's not economical to put in a street car. And I know the USA could not make a crank as good and sell it for less then 600.00.
What are you talking about? They ARE made right here.

Marty I think you are reading too fast. I know they are made here I have one on the shelf that I have had for 5 years. I said that USA could not make one as good as that for lees then 600.00.. :?

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:18 am

souper wrote: keko if you think china is so great why dont you live there? I see a great feature for you kids in one of those steel mills. Its not the consumers fault 3/4 of everything available in the best country in the world is shit it peddlers like you selling it.

It is ALL the consumers fault. They want CHEAP and even when "you" go to the store you want cheap. You always looking for the best deal. Someone is always trying to beat the next guys prices to get the sale. If there are NO consumers trying to get everything cheaper then we don't have "PEDDLERS" trying to give cheaper prices. Sit back and Ponder that for a moment.......

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:24 am

souper wrote: man I didnt know general electric was made in china either. CB advertises their 1.4 rockers as made in the usa. I guess there lying. They are a nice product , I have a pair

They are made in China and CB has no problem saying they are made there. Who there told you they were made in the USA?

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:27 am

Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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And don't forget how many OEM Harley parts are now being made in China and India..

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:36 am

I have to agree with Kekonaiii, it is OUR fault that all this china stuff is being sold these days.
As a former owner of a paint/body shop, EVERYBODY'S first question is, "how much doesn it cost". Their not interested in the quality of the paint, or the prep, it's all in how much it cost.
And i have to admit, i'm just as guilty as the next guy about buying china made stuff. I just don't have the big bucks some people do to afford good quality american made stuff..

Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:36 am

kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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And don't forget how many OEM Harley parts are now being made in China and India..

That's not hard to believe my old Yamaha 400 Enduro would smoke my neighbors 72 Superglide in the 1/4 mile.
Hell the NHRA had to slowdown the Pro class "Jap" bikes so the Harleys could compete.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:12 pm

I disagree. I'm older and know if somethings cheap, it is. I always get the better quality parts, or wait until I can afford them. I'd rather be surrounded by less things that are higher quality.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:53 pm

Splitdog wrote: I disagree. I'm older and know if somethings cheap, it is. I always get the better quality parts, or wait until I can afford them. I'd rather be surrounded by less things that are higher quality.

Like I tell everyone that had the notion of what youare saying. I bet I can find 100+ things at your house right now that you bought and paid for personally and they are not Made in the USA. They are made everywhere else.

It is too hard to find anything that is not made elsewhere. China and many countries make lots of Good, no they make great stuff.

It's all our own fault. I am 43 so you can't be that much more older then me that it would make a differenace to know if something is cheap..

Made in the USA Ford, Chevy, Dodge...? No, assembled in the USA is more like it..

This is something that you will have to face. China is kicking ass and taking names in thier quality as well as quantity. Yu tell them how to make it and how much you want to pay and they will try thier best to "FIT YOUR NEEDS"....If you want to pay for cheap parts they will make cheap. If you want to pay more they will make them better.

We always pay more so that we can get the best for our money. I have been to China many times and I have seen most of everything and how it works there...

Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:55 pm

lostinbaja wrote: kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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And don't forget how many OEM Harley parts are now being made in China and India..

That's not hard to believe my old Yamaha 400 Enduro would smoke my neighbors 72 Superglide in the 1/4 mile.
Hell the NHRA had to slowdown the Pro class "Jap" bikes so the Harleys could compete.

I got my serious Harley friend that is always telling me that "your bike is for cruzing and not racing" and I always say well if I had to pay that much for it it better be able to keep up with some of the others..

Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:22 pm

Wow back to the chinese problem again. You would be really suprised at what is made in china these days. Prety much everything. The quality is great as long as the company that is paying them to manufacture has a quality control program there. But no QC program means not so good parts. The chinese are not the most reliable people unless you are watching their every move. They will do whatever they can to save a buck and once the parts are on the boat, they are bought and paid for and there are no returns. Prices are going up a lot in china. The RMB exchange rate is rising and where there were once many many companies there are a lot of mergers and fewer companies that can do the work. The bigest problem of why parts are not produced in the USA is the enviromental problem. Not the fact that they can make it cheaper. US Manufactures just dont want the legal problems. I think that there is a lot of room and profit to be made by small companies that want to make parts in the USA. It is just the big companies that dont want the exposure.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:41 pm

Jimmy111 wrote: Wow back to the chinese problem again. You would be really suprised at what is made in china these days. Prety much everything. The quality is great as long as the company that is paying them to manufacture has a quality control program there. But no QC program means not so good parts. The chinese are not the most reliable people unless you are watching their every move. They will do whatever they can to save a buck and once the parts are on the boat, they are bought and paid for and there are no returns. Prices are going up a lot in china. The RMB exchange rate is rising and where there were once many many companies there are a lot of mergers and fewer companies that can do the work. The bigest problem of why parts are not produced in the USA is the enviromental problem. Not the fact that they can make it cheaper. US Manufactures just dont want the legal problems. I think that there is a lot of room and profit to be made by small companies that want to make parts in the USA. It is just the big companies that dont want the exposure.

That's right. Environmental laws, unions, liability, pensions, etc. China has none of that to worry about. And yes, kekonaiii, I agree that there is very good quality available in china, you just have to do the QC yourself. They're going to be passing us up in no time.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:15 pm

kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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I haven't found a Rev-Tec that could keep up with my 124 yet (or even come close). I also haven't found too many Jap bikes that could keep up either.

Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:44 pm

My new house was not made by people who are from the US :lol:

Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:17 am

Those parts could easily be called "Most Recent Temper Tantrum." Especially when they break.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:43 am

Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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I haven't found a Rev-Tec that could keep up with my 124 yet (or even come close). I also haven't found too many Jap bikes that could keep up either.

is that a 124cc. My friend has the 100 REV TEC and it kicks , butt

Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:46 pm

kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: Rowroy wrote: kekonaiii wrote: And those bad ASS 100cc REV TEC Motors that they put in all those custom Motorcycles

Rev-Tec is the Empi of the custom motorcycle world.

And that sucker spanks my 95 EVO in my Harley. I can't keep up with my friends bike. I also have the Edelbrock heads on mine.. I can't keep up and it kills me to have that Chinese motor smoke my USA motor.
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I haven't found a Rev-Tec that could keep up with my 124 yet (or even come close). I also haven't found too many Jap bikes that could keep up either.

is that a 124cc. My friend has the 100 REV TEC and it kicks , butt

That would be cubic inches; as built by S & S.