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Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:19 am

RoachGhia wrote:

But what the hell is the point in bringing up an adjustment that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? All you're doing is introducing unnecessary confusion to an otherwise simple problem.

:roll: Relax homie, it was just a question. I'm sure you know how important beam shims are to the handling of a lowered bug.

Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:59 pm

Are the AirKewld products bunk? I plead ignorance on that. He's local and I knew I could pick them up the same day, so I really didn't do much research into other brands. I kind of just figured a spindle was a spindle.

when I brought my bug home I think the camber was pretty neutral.

Does it look posi here? I can't really tell; but this is a bone stock beam.

If the leafs were the problem, wouldn't the camber be offset to one side, like + on the right but - on the left?

I was wondering if there was a "shim" that could go behind the lower trailing arm, to space it away from the beam a few mm. Seems like if I could just slide it out a little bit, but without it sliding off the leaf stack, it would push the bottom of the wheel out where I want it. I'm thinking that maybe when the beam was narrowed, the bottom got cut a few mm shorter than the top. That would def cause the issue at hand.

Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:00 pm

Also this thread is now called "FAT CHICK BUGS AND OTHER ISSUES" :wink:

Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:33 pm

"Okie doky silly okie I'm an idiot." - Super Troopers

28 minutes later and everything fixed now. As soon as I walked around and noticed the LF was neutral I knew I had a problem. Between tweaking the leaf stack, the RF Lower (control?) arm, and the concentrix in the spindle Not only did I get rid of the posi, but now have just a little neg camber on both sides, which is nice. :)

I just made a couple bonehead amature moves when putting the upper and lower arms in as well as when I did the spindle on that side. #-o

Thanks to all you guys for the input that led me to the right correction, she turns on a rail now!

Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:13 pm

dubtype1 wrote: RoachGhia wrote:

But what the hell is the point in bringing up an adjustment that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? All you're doing is introducing unnecessary confusion to an otherwise simple problem.

:roll: Relax homie, it was just a question. I'm sure you know how important beam shims are to the handling of a lowered bug.

Don't tell me to relax. I'm not upset, I'm just correcting incorrect information so that somebody reading this thread in the future is not confused. I do know why caster is important. Do you?

A lowered car does NOT need caster shims, unless the front is lower than the back. this is because when the car is tipped forward, the caster angle is reduced. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that any lowered car needs caster shims, and this is not really true.

Having said that.... if you slam a swingaxle car, you will introduce toe-in on the rear axle and that will make the car squirrelly. Instead of fixing that problem, some people will put a band aid on it by installing caster shims instead. While this will do nothing to improve the tire wear from the toe-in, it will help the car roll straight down the freeway.

Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:15 pm

I'm glad you got it all sorted out! But just for the sake of clarity:

azmousejockey wrote:

If the leafs were the problem, wouldn't the camber be offset to one side, like + on the right but - on the left?

Actually, no. The torsion leaves have a dimple in the center at the adjuster. So the center is in a set position. But, if the outer dimples are drilled into the wrong location, the camber can be way off. Know what i mean?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:18 pm

RoachGhia wrote: dubtype1 wrote: RoachGhia wrote:

But what the hell is the point in bringing up an adjustment that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? All you're doing is introducing unnecessary confusion to an otherwise simple problem.

:roll: Relax homie, it was just a question. I'm sure you know how important beam shims are to the handling of a lowered bug.

Don't tell me to relax. I'm not upset, I'm just correcting incorrect information so that somebody reading this thread in the future is not confused. I do know why caster is important. Do you?

A lowered car does NOT need caster shims, unless the front is lower than the back. this is because when the car is tipped forward, the caster angle is reduced. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that any lowered car needs caster shims, and this is not really true.

Having said that.... if you slam a swingaxle car, you will introduce toe-in on the rear axle and that will make the car squirrelly. Instead of fixing that problem, some people will put a band aid on it by installing caster shims instead. While this will do nothing to improve the tire wear from the toe-in, it will help the car roll straight down the freeway.

A good example is a wheelbarrow. If you keep the handles low to the ground, it is easy to steer. If you raise the handles up it makes the steering very hard to control.

Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:44 pm

RoachGhia wrote: I'm glad you got it all sorted out! But just for the sake of clarity:

azmousejockey wrote:

If the leafs were the problem, wouldn't the camber be offset to one side, like + on the right but - on the left?

Actually, no. The torsion leaves have a dimple in the center at the adjuster. So the center is in a set position. But, if the outer dimples are drilled into the wrong location, the camber can be way off. Know what i mean?

I need a picture of these "outer dimples" to understand. After an afternoon in the garage of fabbing up those adjustable deck lid stand-offs, I kept thinking about that front end. Mainly, since it is that low..why don't I have tons of negative camber? I mean, even though that's not what I want, I can't even adjust it for that option. it took every bit of tweaking just to get it a mm past neutral. Something still isn't right... :?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:18 am

RoachGhia wrote: dubtype1 wrote: RoachGhia wrote:

But what the hell is the point in bringing up an adjustment that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? All you're doing is introducing unnecessary confusion to an otherwise simple problem.

:roll: Relax homie, it was just a question. I'm sure you know how important beam shims are to the handling of a lowered bug.

Don't tell me to relax. I'm not upset, I'm just correcting incorrect information so that somebody reading this thread in the future is not confused. I do know why caster is important. Do you?

A lowered car does NOT need caster shims, unless the front is lower than the back. this is because when the car is tipped forward, the caster angle is reduced. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that any lowered car needs caster shims, and this is not really true.

Having said that.... if you slam a swingaxle car, you will introduce toe-in on the rear axle and that will make the car squirrelly. Instead of fixing that problem, some people will put a band aid on it by installing caster shims instead. While this will do nothing to improve the tire wear from the toe-in, it will help the car roll straight down the freeway.

Yes I do know why caster is important.

His car is "raked" similar to mine ( thats why I suggested the shims ).

And, maybe you should heed your own advise with that last paragraph.

RoachGhia wrote:
But what the hell is the point in bringing up an adjustment that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? All you're doing is introducing unnecessary confusion to an otherwise simple problem.

Anyways, I'm done with this. You can keep riding me all you want, whatever floats your boat.

Let's get this thread back to Fat Chick pics. \:D/

Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:18 pm

I took the cateyes off because those yellow lenses are just too sexy to cover up that much!

Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:56 pm

69 Jim wrote: azmousejockey wrote: roland wrote: My 68:

At first I just scrolled by this thinking "hmm.. that's nice"..

but then I stopped for a minute and really looked...Man, that is nice! There's something about the paint, wheels and tires choice, the overall stance...it's just so...perfect! Well Done. =D>

Agreed. Very nice. 8)

Thanks guys! I believe that's what cal-look is about..

Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:51 pm

bastards :P

Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:54 am

"big tail lover" :lol:

Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:57 pm

hehe.. well who isn't a "Big Tail Lover"!

I know I'm a thread whore :oops: , but I can't help posting the latest pics of my fatty.

Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:30 pm

An update on my ol girl.
2" narrowed beam, 2.5" dropped spindles, one outer notch out back.

Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:41 pm

i love the yellow heads and stance azmousejockey

Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:28 pm

wonword wrote: i love the yellow heads and stance azmousejockey

thanks! hehe.. the amber headlights are a tender subject in here. Let's just say that a little suggestion (from Rattie Fattie) goes a long way (like thru Dubtype1 to me).
So the one guy who came up with the coolest lights in town doesn't even have them on his ride yet! :wink:

Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:30 pm

bastards :P

Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:55 pm

At SCC in Norway...

Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:43 am

azmousejockey wrote: wonword wrote: i love the yellow heads and stance azmousejockey

thanks! hehe.. the amber headlights are a tender subject in here. Let's just say that a little suggestion (from Rattie Fattie) goes a long way (like thru Dubtype1 to me).
So the one guy who came up with the coolest lights in town doesn't even have them on his ride yet! :wink:

Some people are slackers. :lol: :wink: