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Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:16 pm

markm wrote: I double and triple checked, but I didn't see this gas gauge anywhere. Does anyone know anything about this particular gauge? Came in a '57 rag I recently purchased.

There is a red light in the top middle of the gauge that illuminates when the tank goes to reserve.

Motest gauges are made by MotoMeter. I don't know why they marketed them under the Motest name because they are similar in size and function. Perhaps they sold them because the MotoMeter name was licensed to particular sources like VW and Porsche, and maybe this was a way to sell them to a larger market without legal problems. :? Most of the Motest gauges I have seen have a date stamp post '55. (they will accept all MotoMeter senders)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=235702

Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:08 am

Motometer Tachometer

Is´nt this rare?!!!

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:24 pm

53 0val wrote: I'm still waiting for the gauge from North Hollywood Speedometer. They sure are slow this time of year. :?

Bob how did they come out????? also do you have a phone number for them?????? i have some ghia gauges that need some love

Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:38 pm

Rich's 50 wrote: 53 0val wrote: I'm still waiting for the gauge from North Hollywood Speedometer. They sure are slow this time of year. :?

Bob how did they come out????? also do you have a phone number for them?????? i have some ghia gauges that need some love

Rich..........they are perfect as expected....here's your info:

http://www.nhspeedometer.com/

Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:06 pm

Thank you Bob :D

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:23 pm

My motometer SPEED GAUGE

Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:51 pm

Is´nt that from an old bus (like volvo/mercedes) or something? It looks wierd in a bay bus.... :D

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:20 pm

50 split wrote: Is´nt that from an old bus (like volvo/mercedes) or something? It looks wierd in a bay bus.... :D

THAT would look weird on ANYTHING......

Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:43 pm

can anyone tell me which sender goes with this? it's date stamped 12/59, going in my 12/59 vert

Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:16 pm

I would say one of these that bolts to the filler neck.

This one installed on my '59.

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:39 pm

Does anyone know what the wire that goes from the sending unit to the tach looks like, and what terminal it connects to on the tach?

Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:25 pm

When did the gauge faces change from this:

...to this:

...was there a particular year?

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:35 am

My new setup :)

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:39 am

My new setup :)

Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:38 pm

Koch Bus temp gauge

Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:53 am

Douglife wrote: I just picked these up, not quite sure what they are from. I think a late 60s 911. Can anybody tell me how to look up vdo part #'s? Is there anywhere online?

here they are
Tach
901 741 302 01
clock
901 741 702 01
tank
901 741 502 02

they are 911 porsche part numbers , not vdo .

Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:59 am

Eyes Down For Data

Sometime during the late-1970s or 1980s, the following article, which briefly outlines the importance of instrumentation and the benefits of retro-fitting supplementary gauges, appeared in an issue of Drive, a magazine wich was published regularly by the Automobile Association and provided free to members.

Readers wishing to gain a more detailed insight into this topic, are advised to read my forthcoming, comprehensive article, entitled, "Air-cooled Volkswagens: The Case For Supplementary Instrumentation", which examines the rationale for retro-fitting various supplementary gauges, warning lights, buzzers and other intruments; some of which are regarded as essential, whilst others are merely desirable, under specific conditions. Most are associated with engine operating conditions and of its ancillary equipment, but some relate to vehicle operation, navigation and safety. The article does not describe how to fit the instrumentation, but merely examines the reasons for doing so, in a broad context.

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VDO Cockpit, 0~16V & 8~16V voltmeters

52 mm, VDO Cockpit, 0~16 V Voltmeter (VDO part No. 332 304 008 003; VW-Audi part No. 321 919 531). To which vehicles the 0~16 V Voltmeter was fitted, I am not sure! 52 mm, VDO Cockpit, 8~16 V Voltmeter (VDO part No. 336 201 002 001). The 8~16 V Voltmeter, can be salvaged from a variety of 1980s vintage, water-cooled VWs and Audis, of which VW Golfs seem to be a common source.

I retro-fitted one of the 8~16V variety to my British specification, 1973 VW Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292937

The electrical connections, to the positive (+), earth (i.e. ground in USA parlance) terminals, of both of these and several other VDO Cockpit gauges, can be made using three-way connector blocks (VW-Audi part No. 321 971 970; VDO part No. 89 098 008) with latched, ¼ inch, female blade connectors, salvable from various 1980s vintage, water-cooled VW & Audi cars.

They are also available new from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, albeit with associated part number 240-026, as follows:

http://germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16666&cat=340&page=3

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VDO Cockpit, quartz clock & fuel-level indicator

52 mm, VDO Cockpit, quartz clock (VDO part No. *** 370 218 037 001; VW-Audi part No. 321 919 203 B). I suspect the unknown digits ***, should be 370. The VDO Cockpit quartz clock, dated February 1979, now retro-fitted to my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2, was salvaged from a VW Scirocco.

52 mm, VDO Cockpit, dip-pipe/tubular-sender-type, fuel indicator (VDO part No. 301 272 052 001).

I acquired the VDO Cockpit fuel indicator, dated February 1987, as part of a job lot of VDO gauges, which were said to have originated, from one of the local Ford Motor Company, R & D or test facilities. I might later use the fuel-level indicator, together with a few other VDO Cockpit gauges, in my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2.

The electrical connections, to the positive (+), earth (i.e. ground in USA parlance) and gauge-sender (G) terminals, of the fuel-level indicator and several other VDO Cockpit gauges, can be made using three-way connector blocks (VW-Audi part No. 321 971 970; VDO part No. 89 098 008) with latched, ¼ inch, female blade connectors, salvable from various 1980s vintage, water-cooled VW & Audi cars.

They are also available new from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, albeit with associated part number 240-026, as follows:

http://germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16666&cat=340&page=3
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VDO Cockpit, -25~40ºC ambient-air & 50~300ºC cylinder-head temperature gauges

52 mm, VDO Cockpit, -25~40 ºC, outside ambient-air temperature gauge & frost-warning light (complete kit, with gauge, sender & wiring: VDO part No. 397 064 010 002; spare sender: VDO part No. 323 801 008 002; supplementary kit for measuring in-car temperature: VDO part No. X10 397 009 007).

I purchased this "New-Old-Stock" gauge, during the early 1990s, at Simply VWs, in Thorpe Bay , Essex. I saw a similar second-hand one for sale, a few years later, at the Essex VW Club Show, but the vendor's asking price was too much for my taste.

52 mm, VDO Cockpit, 50~300 ºC, cylinder-head temperature gauge (complete kit, with gauge, sender & wiring: VDO part No. 397 064 014 002; spare sender: VDO part No. 326 802 001 001; spare gauge: VDO part No. 310 876 001 001).

This gauge, was one of three I purchased new in 1989, from the German Car Company, in Hadleigh, Essex. Both gauges are fitted in my British specification, 1973 VW Type 2, Westfalia Continental campervan.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292937

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VDO Cockpit, 50~150ºC & 0~5 Bar, oil temperature & pressure gauges

These gauges, were two of three I purchased new in 1989, from the German Car Company, in Hadleigh, Essex. Both are fitted in my British specification, 1973 VW Type 2, Westfalia Continental campervan.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=292937

The electrical connections, to the positive (+), earth (i.e. ground in USA parlance) and gauge-sender (G) terminals, of both of these and several other VDO Cockpit gauges, can be made using three-way connector blocks (VW-Audi part No. 321 971 970; VDO part No. 89 098 008) with latched, ¼ inch, female blade connectors, salvable from various 1980s vintage, water-cooled VW & Audi cars.

They are also available new from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, albeit with associated part number 240-026, as follows:

http://germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16666&cat=340&page=3

Oil-Temperature, Gauge-Sender-Dipsticks & 2-Way Connector Blocks

Although I know of no 2-way connector block, with latched, captive 6•3 mm (i.e. ¼-inch) female blade connectors, specifically intended for the VDO oil-temperature dipstick gauge-senders (333 mm length - VDO part No. X10 323 003 001 and 560 mm length - VDO part No. X10 323 003 002), there are at least two (e.g. VW/Audi part No. 321 941 600), used on Volkswagen (water-cooled & air-cooled) and possibly Audi vehicles, which are a perfect fit.

These are normally used to make the connections to the side-light bulb holders, in British & European specification, 5¾-inch and 7-inch headlamp units, or the 2-terminal, pressure operated brake-light switches, which screw into the hydraulic master cylinder. I can supply a limited quantity of these, from my stock of surplus spares, if forum members have difficulty obtaining them.

VW Type 4 Engine, Oil-Temperature Gauge-Sender, Sump-Plate Location

The right-hand sump plate (fits beneath the VW Type 4 engine's oil filler tube & dipstick tube), is fitted with a VDO stubby-length, oil-temperature, gauge-sender (VDO part No. 323 801 012 002) having an M14 x 1·5 mm thread. The sump plate was modified, by brazing to the internal surface, half of a VW Type 2, M14 x 1·5 mm threaded wheel nut; providing about three complete thread turns.

A similarly modified sump plate is available as either of two kits from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, as follows:

Basic kit (part No. 021 101 267AKIT), includes the modified sump plate, together with a new O-ring and sealing washers:

http://www.germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=17167&cat=340&page=2

Deluxe kit (part No. 021 101 267ADLXKIT), includes the modified sump plate, together with a new O-ring and sealing washers, plus oil-temperature gauge-sender:

http://www.germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=17168&cat=340&page=2

A 3-way plug connector (VDO part No. 999 115 015) for VDO gauges, is also listed on page 68 of the 1997 Europa Specialist Spares catalogue, but I do not know whether this is compatible with the "Cockpit" style gauges or some other VDO gauge series, such as "Mobilcockpit", "Vision" or otherwise.

http://www.europaspares.co.uk

In many cases, the latched 6•3mm (i.e. ¼-inch) female blade connectors (in common use for other applications), can be salvaged for re-use. I have yet to buy any new ones, but they are readily available from a variety of sources. The old latched connectors, may be removed by inserting a small screw-driver blade or scissor point into the connector block and depressing the metal tang on the connector.

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VDO Cockpit, –1·0~0~1·5 Bar Turbo-Boost Gauge & 40~120 ºC Water-Temperature Gauge.

VDO Cockpit, 40~120 ºC Water-Temperature Gauge

I acquired the VDO Cockpit, 40~120 ºC water-temperature gauge, as part of a job lot of VDO gauges, which were said to have originated, from one of the local Ford Motor Company, R & D or test facilities. I might later use the water-temperature gauge, together with a few other VDO Cockpit gauges, in my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2.

The electrical connections, to the positive (+), earth (i.e. ground in USA parlance) and gauge-sender (G) terminals, of the fuel-level indicator and several other VDO Cockpit gauges, can be made using three-way connector blocks (VW-Audi part No. 321 971 970; VDO part No. 89 098 008) with latched, ¼ inch, female blade connectors, salvable from various 1980s vintage, water-cooled VW & Audi cars.

They are also available new from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, albeit with associated part number 240-026, as follows:

http://germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16666&cat=340&page=3

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TIME Vacuum gauge & VDO Cockpit "Night Design" tachometer

52 mm, TIME Instruments, 0~30 in.Hg inlet-manifold vacuum gauge.

Apart from its rather chunky black bezel (i.e. gauge trim ring), the TIME Instruments, vacuum gauge, is very similar to the VDO Cockpit gauges, especially the tachometers. I bought one in a local car accessory shop, during the early to mid-1990s, which is now fitted to my British specification, 1973 VW Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan.

I am aware that a VDO Cockpit, 0~30 in.Hg inlet-manifold vacuum gauge (with anti-clockwise needle deflection!) does exist, which is available in the USA, but not in Great Britain.

http://www.egauges.com/vdo_mult.asp?Type=Vacuum&Series=Cockpit&Units=E

Here's a good animated vacuum gauge interpretation link:

http://www.therangerstation.com/Magazine/Summer2003/VacuumLeaks.htm

It's sometimes quite difficult to imagine how dynamic vacuum-gauge readings would appear, just by looking at static diagrams. However, in the interest of completeness, here are some static diagrams that I came across, more than ten years ago:

Here's another on-line resource, but again with static diagrams:

http://www.troublecodes.net/articles/vacuum.shtml

VDO Cockpit "Night Design", 0~6000 rpm tachometer (alternator sensing).

The electrical circuit wiring diagram, for the VDO Cockpit "Night Design", 0~6000 rpm tachometer, is as follows:

W-terminal creation on a VW Type 4 engine's Bosch alternator

Some rev counters (i.e. tachometers) are incompatible with some electronic ignition systems, of which I was was warned in relation to my Microdynamics Formula 1, FCD electronic ignition system, with integral smooth-cut, adjustable rev limiter, which I retro-fitted in 1989, to my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2.

Hence, it seemed prudent to use the type of rev counter, intended for diesel-engined cars, which derives its signal from the alternator, requiring the creation of a W-terminal, from which to sense one of the alternator's AC phases.

Note the blue-coloured solder joint, to which I connected a light-duty, insulated wire, with glass fibre, heat-resistant sleeving, which also connects to a home-made, ¼-inch blade terminal, set into the alternator carcass, using epoxy resin and small offcuts of blue-coloured, glass-fibre printed circuit-board material.The two red-coloured solder joints, are alternative sites, to which I could have connected an insulated wire, to create a W-terminal facility.

Bosch alternator with W-terminal

Bosch Alternator internal circuit & W-terminal creation

Bosch alternator W-terminal to VDO tachometer circuit diagram

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VDO Cockpit, 0~10 Bar, oil & fuel pressure gauges

The electrical connections, to the positive (+), earth (i.e. ground in USA parlance) and gauge-sender (G) terminals, of both of these and several other VDO Cockpit gauges, can be made using three-way connector blocks (VW-Audi part No. 321 971 970; VDO part No. 89 098 008) with latched, ¼ inch, female blade connectors, salvable from various 1980s vintage, water-cooled VW & Audi cars.

They are also available new from Scott Lyons, at the German Supply Company, albeit with associated part number 240-026, as follows:

http://germansupply.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16666&cat=340&page=3

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Home-made, aluminium, gauge panel, which fits in the centre of my 1973 VW Type 2 dashboard.

Shown in the picture, are a 52 mm diameter, black plastic blanking plate (VW-Audi part No. 841 863 267), providing a future vacancy for an ammeter and the following 52 mm diameter, VDO Cockpit gauges: 8~16V voltmeter, –25~40 ºC ambient air temperature gauge with frost warning light, 50~150 ºC oil-temperature gauge, 0~5 Bar oil-pressure gauge and 50~300 ºC cylinder-head temperature gauge.

Notice also, in the location normally filled by the centre-dashboard ash tray, a home-made aluminium panel, with six, square-section, push-button switches (salvaged from a Citroën Visa car), for my roof-mounted "work" lights, auxiliary reversing lights, simultaneous headlamp main & dipped-beam operation, heater-booster fan, horn-changeover and one spare.In addition to those switches, I have ten VW Type 1, 3 & 4 pattern switches (i.e. stepped, truncated cone-shaped switch knobs), along the bottom of the dashboard, for rear-window wiper & washer, heated rear window, rear fog lights, front fog lights, main lights, auxiliary driving lights, hazard warning flasher and ventilation booster fans.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=328147

I used a few VW Type 4, heated rear-window switches, with home-made, yellow, orange and blue coloured acrylic, warning-light lenses, for the front and rear fog lights and auxiliary driving lights. I might need another such switch, if and when I retro-fit, an electrically heated front windshield. Other colours of acrylic sheet (i.e. ICI Perspex), were also available.

Historically, the following Hella, VW Type 2 pattern, accessory three-position, front & rear fog-lamp switch, shown is Item 1, would have been useful.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=328345

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SUPPLEMENTARY WARNING LIGHTS

Although strictly speaking, not gauges, warning lights & buzzers are important complementary instruments to gauges. The following thread examines various options, including aftermarket components and customisation of warning-light clusters, salvaged from other vehicles, including the BLMC Triumphs.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2540745#2540745

Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:16 pm

Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:15 pm

Very early Empi Tachometer !
Notice it says "EUROPEAN" Motor Products Inc., and not "ENGINEERED" like the later items.
:shock:

Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:52 am

My latest score.
Stork oil temp gauge and matching column mount.