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Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:06 pm

ahh i see but im kindov lost ifit was dont to update the suspension why is myne a ''normal'' beetle but some supers are older then it ?
or am i mistaken?
is a 73 with balljoint

Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:08 pm

yaz731200 wrote: ahh i see but im kindov lost ifit was dont to update the suspension why is myne a ''normal'' beetle but some supers are older then it ?
or am i mistaken?
is a 73 with balljoint

They weren't going to stop making the cheaper one just because they made a fancy one. ;)

Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:00 am

Supers were produced from 1971 to 1979. Standard Beetles were produced from the 1940s and ended in July 2004.

Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:59 pm

Can you swap a 4 speed transmission in a Beetle that already has an auto stick in it?

The pickle forks appear different, as the 1974 auto stick pickle fork has a tapped hole in the end where the bellhousing attaches to it.

My other 1968 with 4 speed has a pickle fork that has a "band" around it and the bellhousing. There is no hole in the end of the pickle fork.

I want to know if trannies can interchange in VW's.. Auto sticks and 4 speeds?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:56 pm

Green Bug wrote: Can you swap a 4 speed transmission in a Beetle that already has an auto stick in it?

The pickle forks appear different, as the 1974 auto stick pickle fork has a tapped hole in the end where the bellhousing attaches to it.

My other 1968 with 4 speed has a pickle fork that has a "band" around it and the bellhousing. There is no hole in the end of the pickle fork.

I want to know if trannies can interchange in VW's.. Auto sticks and 4 speeds?

I hear there's a sticky for that.

Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:09 pm

Towel Rail wrote: Green Bug wrote: Can you swap a 4 speed transmission in a Beetle that already has an auto stick in it?
I hear there's a sticky for that.

Indeed.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124538

- David

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:26 am

Whats the difference between the hoods? Is this a super or standard?

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:30 am

And two more questions on the SB vs. Std...

- Can't remember where, but I saw some place that the added trunk space in SB was made possible by both MacPherson suspension AND taking some space from the leg room for the driver? True or false for this last part? :shock:

- Also read that SB where wider then Std Beeltes. True or False and if true is it only on the front part or the entire body. I though that SB and Std shared the same parts except for the front part.

Thanks for your info.

oxtus

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:25 am

Everything from the door back is the same.

I don't thing the front is any wider.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:02 pm

aah57 wrote: Is this a super or standard?

super

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:25 pm

j-pizzle wrote: aah57 wrote: Is this a super or standard?

super

Super because it's more of a U then a V shape (Standards).

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:37 am

oxtus wrote: j-pizzle wrote: aah57 wrote: Is this a super or standard?

super

Super because it's more of a U then a V shape (Standards).

Then it must be a flat screen super, the curved windshield super doesn't have an emblem and no fresh air openings.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:42 am

Glenn wrote: hazedub wrote: To add onto this, you can also tell by the front air vents under the front bumbers..

Many Supers have replacement front aprons without the AC condenser vents.

And all european supers don't have those either.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:01 pm

if you see springs under the front finders its a super...

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:54 pm

71_transporter wrote: if you see springs under the front finders its a super...

Not all ways the case:

http://www.jbugs.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=9571&Category_Code=101080

Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:03 am

I've been informed that in Australia...

1976 Superbeetles were built on 1500chassis. So you forgo the McPherson strut and the spare wheel sits up.

I'm not sure how that makes it a super though.

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:50 am

SKiB wrote: I've been informed that in Australia...

1976 Superbeetles were built on 1500chassis. So you forgo the McPherson strut and the spare wheel sits up.

I'm not sure how that makes it a super though.

I think you are mistaken.

It might have a 1500cc engine, but it must have struts to be a Super.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:45 pm

Glenn wrote: Everything from the door back is the same.

I don't thing the front is any wider.

The front of a Super is definitely wider.

- David

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:39 am

oxtus wrote: j-pizzle wrote: aah57 wrote: Is this a super or standard?

super

Super because it's more of a U then a V shape (Standards).

..umm.. I think that's a standard.. without seeing the very bottom of the hood, it's a little hard to tell. Also if it could be seen from the side, you'd know instantly, because the Super hood curves in more at the very front, while the Standard maintains a more shallow curve throughout.

To answer someone else's question here, to my knowledge the 1302 came about initially as a more deluxe model with a larger trunk, with stuts a la type 4 design (but not the same), and the 1303 (curved windshield) came about becuase VW was worried that new US legislation concerning the distance from the driver's head to the windscreen would make the Beetle obsolete. VW did do some major reworking of every dimension of the Beetle, but it never got past the design stage, and in fact a 4-door model was proposed and designed. It was eventually decided that the less costly alternative was to re-design the dashboard and windsheild of the 1302 - to make the 1303, by which time this happened, the proposed legislation didn't come about. The 1303 Super beetle dashboard was originally designed with room for airbags as well.

If anyone is interested, I can post some of those 4-door beetle design proposals, if they haven't already been posted elsewhere here.

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:42 am

SKiB wrote: I've been informed that in Australia...

1976 Superbeetles were built on 1500chassis. So you forgo the McPherson strut and the spare wheel sits up.

I'm not sure how that makes it a super though.

yes, there is a strange hybrid out there in Volkswagenland that is a cross between a Super and a Standard, which isn't a 71- 72 1302 model.. I've never seen a picture of it, and I wish someone would post pix or more info on it. I don't know if it's a larger-trunk model with the wider front, but just with a axle beam in the front,. which when you think about it, is pretty do-able with some modifications to the body.. Like if you were really desperate, you could probably put a Super body on top of a Standard chassis.