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Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:15 am

vw505 wrote: i am going to start up my return to redux box's on my funco i will take some before and after pics

Cool keep us posted. I need to get out in the garage and make some headway on mine.

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:31 pm

i have two trannys one is known good and the other has J/J lay downs on them but is trashed i am working on that and then will put them on the car . i wll also take a pic of the tire to sprint bar so we can see the tire change with the box's.

Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:12 am

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/tech/reduction_box_rebuild/

Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:12 am

Sweet info !

Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:20 pm

vw505 wrote: Sweet info ! I agree but I can't find it posted here by using the search on the samba. I found it using Yahoo. I PMed HBB to see if he could dig up any more info that whoever posted it has.

Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:34 pm

ThrownHammer It is hazetguy that has the info you are looking for.
SwingAxle & Reduction Box Bearing Pullers:Info/Sources
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200751&highlight=
Small nut disassembly
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?mode=results
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=202221&highlight=

Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:27 am

I wanted to chime in here and give you all a little bit of information. I have been lurking around from time to time and really never take the time to post. I have been off roading for 25+ years. I used to have a rail several years ago that I put a small nut redux. set up into. I got all of the stuff out of a 1971 European Thing that I found for sale cheap.(long story) I don't remember the gearing of the actual box itself but I do remember that I installed the axles and boxex into a trans. that had a 4.37 R&P and my final drive ratio was 6.02-1. This rail was a tractor. I had alot of fun with it and broke it many times. I ran this redux. set-up for almost 10 years. The two things that MUST be done before you consider running one of these is you really need to run a super diff. in the trans. and you must beef up the axle tubes. If you do not beef the tubes, you will bend them. When you bend your tubes, your axle will break eventually. For general off roading this was a pretty cool set up. It was great in the mud and for the trails. The thing it was terrible for was climbing big steep hills. If you experience a loss of traction and have to rely on wheel spin, the wheel hop is terrible. The problem with this set up is when you are on the power, the rear suspension becomes stiffer. Goose the throttle and the rear suspension will raise up and get stiffer. In certain suituations this can be useful but for big hills it is terrible. All in all it was a pretty cool set up. Working on it was not that difficult but it can be a pain if you have to go into the trans. to fix something. My current rail has an 091 close ratio box with 930cv's and 3x3 arms. I will never go back to swingaxle ever again. They are great for low horsepower cars but I am way beyond that point now. I hope this helps someone.

Roy

Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:40 am

did you have your boxs layed down.

Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:48 am

No, they were standing up as they are in the stock Thing. The stock Thing has all the factory adapters etc. to put in a type 1 torsion housing. All you have to do is notch the spring plates to make them fit. The end castings on the stock Thing torsion are welded on at a different position than the bug. They are "clocked" differently. Laying them bown would defeat the extra ground clearence goal I was after. Actually, laying them down would help the wheel hop problem a little bit, but not completely. That old rail was cool. That's how I got my nickname, the "Grasshopper". I could actually make the thing hop completely off the ground if I wanted to.

Roy

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:10 pm

OK so I finally took some pictures of my Lay-down reduction boxes... I was in the process of re-indexing my torsions....

In the last photo you can see how (in the kit) you add two holes to your springplates....

Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:04 am

After reading this thread I decided to order a set of the Bugzyla adapter plates for my baja. this is what I have now

If you look at the first pic you can see the bent spring plate. I have new/used ones ready to go. I have a small nut tranny, but knowing that the mounting only differs by 1/16 of an inch I think I can get the bugzyla adapters to work. I'll post pics of the project as it goes along. I am planning quite a bit. New torsion bars, spring plates, adaptors, shocks, door panels, reg top, carpet, paint, and getting my heat to work!!

Steve

Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:51 pm

befor shot

Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:52 pm

hope to get the redux's in some time this week

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:45 pm

ok so i have one side about done but what is the tq for the box halfs (covers)?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:08 pm

i should have a new pic tomarrow i have the boxs in the car i just have to buy some new grade 8 bolts i get it done

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:35 am

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:38 am

have the box's on just with a dry fit have to drill some holes in the spring plates and do a little trimming here and there , will do some more up dates later this week . i think i am done working for this weekend !

Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:12 am

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Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:18 pm

has anyone used the bugzilla standup adaptors with small nut redux box?the bugzilla web site says only for use with large nut boxs. but it sounds like they can be used with only small mods. ideas? thanx

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:01 pm

You can run the adapters on the small nut axles, you just have to oblong the one hole that is by itself on the adapter about 1/16 of an inch.