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Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:01 pm

Probably an easy question...

Is this a badge or foglight bar? What is it and what does it fit?
I bought it because I thought it was Type 3 but it's too short to fit between the bumper overriders. They are no manufacturer markings.

Thanks

Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:12 pm

Support inner bar for EMPI bumper guards Type1?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:00 pm

The guy did say it was an EMPI bumper bar, sorry to not say that earlier but it has no EMPI markings?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:04 pm

Looks like it was chromed? I thought the inner support bars were painted but I am not sure. If it was chormed later, maybe that's why there is no EMPI mark?

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:20 pm

lonotch wrote: Looks like it was chromed? I thought the inner support bars were painted but I am not sure. If it was chormed later, maybe that's why there is no EMPI mark?
It is chromed but now has a lot of surface rust.

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:28 pm

those go on the INSIDE of the bumper, to act as a stiffener. I have a set on my Oval, and I'm glad I did (and had a spare back one) or I would have lost my metal vert W decklid to a rear-ender. They simply mount between the brackets (hence the cutout on each end) and with longer carriage bolts, go through the bracket, and bumper, and the little } shaped piece. I have seen them in square tube, like the one shown, and also made from round tubing. When I moved, I tried to give away the round tube set, but no one wanted them, so into the trash they went. AFAIK, EMPI bars went on the outside, with the little spacer pieces. Maybe EMPI sold the inner ones, too, I dunno.

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:33 pm

Ok, is it worth anything? I'm guessing no.

Since it goes on the inside of the bumper, I can see why it's all crusty.

Thanks!

Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:11 pm

Everett, do you have both of them? The shorter one would go on the front bumper, and the longer one (obviously) would go on the back... if you don't have the set, find a pre-'68 Type 1, and stick it in the center of the bumpers; that will tell you which one you have. When I had a few, I always seemed to end up with more front ones than back ones, so if it's a back one, it's probably worth more (Those damned 6 volt brake lights are hard to see) than the front one, although still not worth as much as a front and rear set.

Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:57 pm

I only have this one.

I will check it out next time I'm near a Beetle.

Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:04 pm

Here is catalog scan:

http://www.in2vws.com/images/stories/easygallery/45/1167981465_EMPI%200104.jpg

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:26 pm

"Defend yourself against those 2 ton monsters!"

Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:27 pm

Those Square bumper stiffners are worth about $5-$10/ea But the earlier (Pre '59) round versions that Dave "threw out" are worth about $30-$50/ea and are alot more difficult to source.
BTW, the square style are also currently being reproduced.

Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:13 am

I have a couple sets NOS in the box if anyone needs some. I didn't figure that they were worth advertising.

ZVW 836-121

Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:24 am

RareAir wrote: Those Square bumper stiffners are worth about $5-$10/ea But the earlier (Pre '59) round versions that Dave "threw out" are worth about $30-$50/ea and are alot more difficult to source.

Great. Thanks for that, Glenn. All you had to do was come to Escondido when I was clearing out, and you could have had a set.
They aren't a bad idea, as I mentioned previously, the square tube ones saved a convertible W decklid from being munched and a scrawny 18 year old in Mommy's Aerostar from getting severely thrashed...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:06 pm

If anybody has a rear round style stiffener I have a wtb ad out for one. PM me, I'll pay a decent price :wink:

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:34 pm

Dave Orozco had a a NOS pair of earlies in the classifieds last week for $140/pr

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:44 am

I had a set of round Empi bumper stiffeners still in the box. Swapped them for some deano manifolds. They were galvanised.

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:59 am

Dave wrote: Great. Thanks for that, Glenn. All you had to do was come to Escondido when I was clearing out, and you could have had a set.
...

Alweays a day late. First your collection of VW Trends, and now these bumper stiffners. What else did you throw away?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:03 pm

RareAir wrote: . What else did you throw away?

Actually, Rob de la Grange got most of the really neato stuff, but when Randy Carlson @ Oldbug bought the '55 and the 21 window, he kinda got to pick through the collection for anything that looked interesting to him. Then, after that, it was "open season" on everything, people were invited to come by and take what they wanted, then, after that, it went into the dumpster.
I still have my Joe Vittone-signed GTV wheel, a bunch of never worn T shirts from events I attended over the years, and a few other misc items. Other than that, I'm pretty well cleaned out...

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:29 pm

I need a rear square one if anybody has an xtra thanks Jason