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Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:54 pm

notchboy wrote: Quote: But, now I know not to get a 1500cc (sorry Jason :lol: )!

Dont worry too much. Most of that was getting the bugs out-literaly as the borrowed heavily from the T1 & 2 early on. A nice 1500 cc can be made from a 1600 sp with 83mm P&C :wink:

:idea: Ah, my comment about the 1500 engine. Boy, that was a long time ago I posted that... Where have you been? :wink: :lol: Thank you for reading and posting.

Just wish Jack would come back. At least I still have you, even if it is to nag me to get a 1500! :wink: :lol: I am afraid my lack of social skills had done it. Plus, I have a hard enough time remembering where I put stuff, so remembering what all Jack has in his stable, and what condition it is is not reasonable, I.M.H.O.. I see no difference between a '62 and a '63! :wink: :lol:

Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:06 pm

architect_7 wrote: Since this is my day off, I decided to work on the Squareback. The bolts for the engine hangers are rusted on, and deform the wrench when I tried unbolting them (two wrench, one hand squeeze). Do I drill them out, or cut them off?

adriel, you shouldn't have that much of a problem, you just need something stronger. use a socket on a breaker bar on one side, a wrench on the other, and really yank HARD. use a hammer to break em loose if you have to. dont just squeeze. also, remember to have the engine slgihtly, and i mean VERY slightly, jacked up.

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:33 am

They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:13 am

Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:18 am

architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:57 pm

Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.

JSMskater wrote: architect_7 wrote: Since this is my day off, I decided to work on the Squareback. The bolts for the engine hangers are rusted on, and deform the wrench when I tried unbolting them (two wrench, one hand squeeze). Do I drill them out, or cut them off?

adriel, you shouldn't have that much of a problem, you just need something stronger. use a socket on a breaker bar on one side, a wrench on the other, and really yank HARD. use a hammer to break em loose if you have to. dont just squeeze. also, remember to have the engine slgihtly, and i mean VERY slightly, jacked up.

I jacked the Squareback up just until the wheels were strait, lightly loaded. Then, I put jack stands under the torsion tubes and the bar, as far in as possible, watching out for the tin.

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:51 pm

architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:53 pm

notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:00 am

Thank you all for the replies! :D

blankmange wrote: notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

:lol: :lol: notchback, I nearly fell out of my chair! $6.99: just shows the nature of Father. Maybe the price has gone down in the last 20 years, or whenever it was introduced. :-k

And how did you know I once loved Carl's hamburger (can not eat them any more)? 8-[ :lol:

blankmange, I did not know you could toque them of: maybe that is what Russ was saying. I will see how the penetrative goes, then torque them off need be. Thank you for answering my original question. :)

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:34 am

http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2190& itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=sili%2Ckroil

Says you can't buy it Calif!!!!!!

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:00 am

MOCHABILL wrote: http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2190& itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=sili%2Ckroil

Says you can't buy it Calif!!!!!!

Thank you for the notification, but the link jumps to the home page. So how did you navigate to the page? I tried searching, but found nothing. If it is not allowed in California, there are ways to get around it. :wink:

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:49 am

http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailm...li%2Ckroil

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:02 pm

architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies! :D

blankmange wrote: notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

:lol: :lol: notchback, I nearly fell out of my chair! $6.99: just shows the nature of Father. Maybe the price has gone down in the last 20 years, or whenever it was introduced. :-k

And how did you know I once loved Carl's hamburger (can not eat them any more)? 8-[ :lol:

blankmange, I did not know you could toque them of: maybe that is what Russ was saying. I will see how the penetrative goes, then torque them off need be. Thank you for answering my original question. :)

Wieviel kann ich hier sparen, wieviel kann ich dort sparen... und da haben wir es!

Seems stupid to American kids who grew up with everything, but depending on your father's age, he may have grown up in tough times. I used to think my older relatives were nuts with this kind of stuff, too, until I grew up and realised that it's not about getting what you want; rather, it's about wanting what you have.

If EVERYBODY had your Father's attitude about consuming, we wouldn't have this war in Iraq, and our government would still be democratic instead of a Corporatocracy.

Preaching over; carry on.

Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:14 pm

Are these the bolts holding the donut hanger to the chassis or the bolts holding the mustash bar to the donut hanger? The chassis bolts which I included with the donuts hangers are 15mm & 14mm on opposite ends! "Torquing them off" means breaking them!

Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:20 pm

Thank you all for the replies :D

Tram wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies! :D

blankmange wrote: notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

:lol: :lol: notchback, I nearly fell out of my chair! $6.99: just shows the nature of Father. Maybe the price has gone down in the last 20 years, or whenever it was introduced. :-k

And how did you know I once loved Carl's hamburger (can not eat them any more)? 8-[ :lol:

blankmange, I did not know you could toque them of: maybe that is what Russ was saying. I will see how the penetrative goes, then torque them off need be. Thank you for answering my original question. :)

Wieviel kann ich hier sparen, wieviel kann ich dort sparen... und da haben wir es!

Seems stupid to American kids who grew up with everything, but depending on your father's age, he may have grown up in tough times. I used to think my older relatives were nuts with this kind of stuff, too, until I grew up and realised that it's not about getting what you want; rather, it's about wanting what you have.

If EVERYBODY had your Father's attitude about consuming, we wouldn't have this war in Iraq, and our government would still be democratic instead of a Corporatocracy.

Preaching over; carry on.

Das stimmt! =D> Ich Wunsch sprecht Deutsch... nein, Ich will nich. I do not think Vater nuts, but others did, so I agree slightly. Opa und Opa grew up in the Depression, and it rubbed off on Vater. Vater also is frugal because he does not have but limited money, especially do to the divorce and us children. Now being at a point were I have less than five liquid dollars to my name, I understand.

On this note, I am going to remember the phase. I am coming to a point where I am looking back, and wondering how I could go through money at a good rate. I figured out a great deal is due to the maintaining (including the rear window getting broken ($1,000)), registering, and insuring the Ford, but the Squareback is also taking a good portion. Thus, I am back to seeking a job, since I have been let go of, and need bread.

It is not just this, I have to figure out everything. Example, the Squareback windows: they leak like crazy. I have the seals, but I do not know what to do about the headliner. If the windows are out, I figure I should get it done. But, that would cost about $100 just for the liner. Now, I am thinking of getting it though the rainy season with little done, cheaply done, and mostly temporary. I do not want to see it rust away. If only someone buy the A/C I be a rich man! :wink: :lol: Actually, my Squareback would be (five percent to theSamba, at least 25 percent in savings, and the rest for the headliner/body).

I am almost thinking that the Squareback was not a good idea, but I do not want to sell it. Plus, if the parts are unsellable, the auto will be even more so. :roll: I guess I could sell the parts at a price of almost free, but then I would loose money. Might as well let them sit, and if they deteriorate, oh well. They did have a use.

Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:02 pm

Tram your a great guy and i love your commentary and use of commen sense... but our country is a Republic..... not a democracy , too many people screew that up....

I pledge alliegence to the flag of the united states of America,
and to the Repulic for which it stands......

Sorry Tram , not to piss you off
-Trevor
69 Fastback

Harry Reid is a moron... unfortunately "pinky" is from my state

Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:03 pm

correction , REPUBLIC for which it stands not repulic lol

Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:55 pm

Republic and democracy are about the same, and if you want I can look it up in my Political Science text book. We are an indirect democracy, where we vote indirectly by voting for representatives to represent us. In a direct democracy, people have to vote on all matters. If people understood this, there would not be people in Congress doing as they please, but representing the people who elected them.

I am hoping my generation will come to realize it is time for a voting revolution! Get rid of the dinosaurs like Teddy, Bird (who is part of the K.K.K., talk about raciest!), etcetera. Get rid of the corruption, George Soros and MoveOn.org. Let the People be heard, not the giants who are only interested in their self gain! Also, the Democratic Party is not what it once stood for. It has now gone to Communism, which only in concept works. The Republicans have lost their cohonies, and try to get their policies by letting the other party go first, then getting back stabbed (the worst is case is Supreme Justice Ruth Batter Ginsburg). Viva revolution!

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:57 pm

VWporscheGT3 wrote: Tram your a great guy and i love your commentary and use of commen sense... but our country is a Republic..... not a democracy , too many people screew that up....

I pledge alliegence to the flag of the united states of America,
and to the Repulic for which it stands......

Sorry Tram , not to piss you off
-Trevor
69 Fastback

Harry Reid is a moron... unfortunately "pinky" is from my state

I said "DEMOCRATIC" with a small "D", meaning that this is the process by which the laws of our REPUBLIC are supposed to be determined.

"Back to you, Trevor!"

:D

And, Harry Reid is no more a moron than the Presidunce is. :wink:

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:12 pm

architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies :D

Tram wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies! :D

blankmange wrote: notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

:lol: :lol: notchback, I nearly fell out of my chair! $6.99: just shows the nature of Father. Maybe the price has gone down in the last 20 years, or whenever it was introduced. :-k

And how did you know I once loved Carl's hamburger (can not eat them any more)? 8-[ :lol:

blankmange, I did not know you could toque them of: maybe that is what Russ was saying. I will see how the penetrative goes, then torque them off need be. Thank you for answering my original question. :)

Wieviel kann ich hier sparen, wieviel kann ich dort sparen... und da haben wir es!

Seems stupid to American kids who grew up with everything, but depending on your father's age, he may have grown up in tough times. I used to think my older relatives were nuts with this kind of stuff, too, until I grew up and realised that it's not about getting what you want; rather, it's about wanting what you have.

If EVERYBODY had your Father's attitude about consuming, we wouldn't have this war in Iraq, and our government would still be democratic instead of a Corporatocracy.

Preaching over; carry on.

Das stimmt! =D> Ich Wunsch sprecht Deutsch... nein, Ich will nich. I do not think Vater nuts, but others did, so I agree slightly. Opa und Opa grew up in the Depression, and it rubbed off on Vater. Vater also is frugal because he does not have but limited money, especially do to the divorce and us children. Now being at a point were I have less than five liquid dollars to my name, I understand.

On this note, I am going to remember the phase. I am coming to a point where I am looking back, and wondering how I could go through money at a good rate. I figured out a great deal is due to the maintaining (including the rear window getting broken ($1,000)), registering, and insuring the Ford, but the Squareback is also taking a good portion. Thus, I am back to seeking a job, since I have been let go of, and need bread.

It is not just this, I have to figure out everything. Example, the Squareback windows: they leak like crazy. I have the seals, but I do not know what to do about the headliner. If the windows are out, I figure I should get it done. But, that would cost about $100 just for the liner. Now, I am thinking of getting it though the rainy season with little done, cheaply done, and mostly temporary. I do not want to see it rust away. If only someone buy the A/C I be a rich man! :wink: :lol: Actually, my Squareback would be (five percent to theSamba, at least 25 percent in savings, and the rest for the headliner/body).

I am almost thinking that the Squareback was not a good idea, but I do not want to sell it. Plus, if the parts are unsellable, the auto will be even more so. :roll: I guess I could sell the parts at a price of almost free, but then I would loose money. Might as well let them sit, and if they deteriorate, oh well. They did have a use.

Even after the war, and into the early Sixties, West Germans and Austrians had to scrimp and save to live a middle- class existence. I have a good friend originally from the same part of Ostpreussen as mein Vatersfamilie, and he spent the mid- late 1940s until 1952 in a Soviet labour camp. He was a Hitler youth and one of the young 'uns that wound up fighting to save Hitler's dead carcass. :roll:

Helmut Jankowski is 80 now, and still builds high- end custom homes by hand. He wears work clothes that he bought in the early Fifties in Canada, on sale. The guy has bigger muscles than I do! :shock: He said he couldn't ever gain any weight because Johanna, his wife since 60 years, bought him all these clothes at a fire sale at a department store in Winnipeg in 1952 and he couldn't waste them.

He still owns and drives his very first brand new Mercedes, a 1962 190Dc "Fintail". Before that, they owned VWs. He bought a second- hand 1959 190D "Ponton" as a work/ car- "toolbox" in 1963. he still has that, too. A few years ago, he and Johanna decided to treat themselves to a 1983 Mercedes 300 sedan for $1000 with a broken timing chain. Helmut borrowed manuals and a few specialty tools and rebuilt it himself. It runs like a clock, although he cannot grasp the need for the 5 cyl. engine, power locks, and disc brakes. it's a Euro model, stick shift, manual windows, and no A/C, which suits him just fine.

Yes, this is the sort of mentality you are dealing with, and I have dealt with all my life. Buy something, and use it sparingly until it's used up. Then, you mend it and use it some more.