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Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:14 am

moving back to the original issue... the bolts. I think you have the car jacked too high, you shouldn't see anything at the wheels like you mentioned. I mean it is a SLIGHT lift. just enough to take the pressure off the bolts, not everything else.

they should come right off with some force, even if they are rusted to the bloody mounts.

Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:42 am

architect_7 wrote: Also, the Democratic Party is not what it once stood for. It has now gone to Communism

I share your disgust with the present system, but you've got to stop drinking the Rush KoolAid, man!

Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:57 pm

JSMskater wrote: moving back to the original issue... the bolts. I think you have the car jacked too high, you shouldn't see anything at the wheels like you mentioned. I mean it is a SLIGHT lift. just enough to take the pressure off the bolts, not everything else.

they should come right off with some force, even if they are rusted to the bloody mounts.

I will lower it a bit then. The wheels are still holding most of the weight, and the auto is level. I sure wish I knew the exact hight, but alas the gurus are all busy (or disapeared off the Earth like Jack, poor fellow).

KTPhil wrote: architect_7 wrote: Also, the Democratic Party is not what it once stood for. It has now gone to Communism

I share your disgust with the present system, but you've got to stop drinking the Rush KoolAid, man!

I never listen to Rush, nor like him. His personality bothers me in a way I can not describe.

The comment is from my own observations, History 109, Political Science 101 and 102, and other Democrats. The Party once was concerned about the common man, rights (including minorities), the Constitution, etcetera. They could not stand taxes, and wanted a small government, were the People are in power. Look at the Party now: big government, high taxes, programs out the wazoo, racism running rampant, and no thought to the common man.

Tram wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies :D

Tram wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for the replies! :D

blankmange wrote: notchback wrote: architect_7 wrote: Thank you all for your help! :D

blankmange wrote: architect_7 wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: They are only 8mm bolts. You should be able to just twist them off if they are rusted that bad.

The nut is rusted to the support.

I managed to get in contact with Father, and he gave me permission to use some Kroil.

this may require some explanation -- "Father" and permission to use Kroil?

My Father has a can of Kroil, which is very expensive. Being he is away, I had to wait until he called to check home to ask permission to get a few drops. He required to put on WD-40 on first, let it sit, then the Kroil, letting it sit for a few days.
$6.99 for 8 ounces is "very expensive?" A meal at "Carl's Junior" is more expensive than that.
http://www.midwayautosupply.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=11158&affiliateid=10050

I guess the next logical step would be to buy your own can... better yet, how difficult can it be to torque the heads off of a couple of 8 mm bolts?

:lol: :lol: notchback, I nearly fell out of my chair! $6.99: just shows the nature of Father. Maybe the price has gone down in the last 20 years, or whenever it was introduced. :-k

And how did you know I once loved Carl's hamburger (can not eat them any more)? 8-[ :lol:

blankmange, I did not know you could toque them of: maybe that is what Russ was saying. I will see how the penetrative goes, then torque them off need be. Thank you for answering my original question. :)

Wieviel kann ich hier sparen, wieviel kann ich dort sparen... und da haben wir es!

Seems stupid to American kids who grew up with everything, but depending on your father's age, he may have grown up in tough times. I used to think my older relatives were nuts with this kind of stuff, too, until I grew up and realised that it's not about getting what you want; rather, it's about wanting what you have.

If EVERYBODY had your Father's attitude about consuming, we wouldn't have this war in Iraq, and our government would still be democratic instead of a Corporatocracy.

Preaching over; carry on.

Das stimmt! =D> Ich Wunsch sprecht Deutsch... nein, Ich will nich. I do not think Vater nuts, but others did, so I agree slightly. Opa und Opa grew up in the Depression, and it rubbed off on Vater. Vater also is frugal because he does not have but limited money, especially do to the divorce and us children. Now being at a point were I have less than five liquid dollars to my name, I understand.

On this note, I am going to remember the phase. I am coming to a point where I am looking back, and wondering how I could go through money at a good rate. I figured out a great deal is due to the maintaining (including the rear window getting broken ($1,000)), registering, and insuring the Ford, but the Squareback is also taking a good portion. Thus, I am back to seeking a job, since I have been let go of, and need bread.

It is not just this, I have to figure out everything. Example, the Squareback windows: they leak like crazy. I have the seals, but I do not know what to do about the headliner. If the windows are out, I figure I should get it done. But, that would cost about $100 just for the liner. Now, I am thinking of getting it though the rainy season with little done, cheaply done, and mostly temporary. I do not want to see it rust away. If only someone buy the A/C I be a rich man! :wink: :lol: Actually, my Squareback would be (five percent to theSamba, at least 25 percent in savings, and the rest for the headliner/body).

I am almost thinking that the Squareback was not a good idea, but I do not want to sell it. Plus, if the parts are unsellable, the auto will be even more so. :roll: I guess I could sell the parts at a price of almost free, but then I would loose money. Might as well let them sit, and if they deteriorate, oh well. They did have a use.

Even after the war, and into the early Sixties, West Germans and Austrians had to scrimp and save to live a middle- class existence. I have a good friend originally from the same part of Ostpreussen as mein Vatersfamilie, and he spent the mid- late 1940s until 1952 in a Soviet labour camp. He was a Hitler youth and one of the young 'uns that wound up fighting to save Hitler's dead carcass. :roll:

Helmut Jankowski is 80 now, and still builds high- end custom homes by hand. He wears work clothes that he bought in the early Fifties in Canada, on sale. The guy has bigger muscles than I do! :shock: He said he couldn't ever gain any weight because Johanna, his wife since 60 years, bought him all these clothes at a fire sale at a department store in Winnipeg in 1952 and he couldn't waste them.

He still owns and drives his very first brand new Mercedes, a 1962 190Dc "Fintail". Before that, they owned VWs. He bought a second- hand 1959 190D "Ponton" as a work/ car- "toolbox" in 1963. he still has that, too. A few years ago, he and Johanna decided to treat themselves to a 1983 Mercedes 300 sedan for $1000 with a broken timing chain. Helmut borrowed manuals and a few specialty tools and rebuilt it himself. It runs like a clock, although he cannot grasp the need for the 5 cyl. engine, power locks, and disc brakes. it's a Euro model, stick shift, manual windows, and no A/C, which suits him just fine.

Yes, this is the sort of mentality you are dealing with, and I have dealt with all my life. Buy something, and use it sparingly until it's used up. Then, you mend it and use it some more.

Danke fur the explanation! :D This is exactly how Vater is. He drove his '64 Beetle from 1968 until about 2000, and then bought his second car, a 1986 Chevy Cavalier. The rest does not need to be stated... :wink:

What you told me has given me new thought about the Squareback. Maybe I should mend it for the winter, then see where I can go.

On Helmut Jankowski, did you ever, or did someone else, get a recorded interview of his experience during the war and the labor camp? Even if it maybe not with what we agree with, it could be interesting, plus, nothing like real history. :wink: For all we know, he might know what happened to Hitler's skull: the Russians claim to have it. Also, I have never heard to much of the Hitler Youth, and never from an actual one. Plus, he is not getting any younger, and I am glad to have interviews of my Great Great Grandmother.

Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:19 pm

Joe and I spent a good three and a half hours getting the Squareback set up, running, and tuned today. I have a few things to finish, but it runs like a champ! N.O.S. Autobahn cap and rotor (I absolutely love the color!), engine is sitting where the air boot is just about right, timing is 0 degrees, and idle is 850 R.P.M; just have to drive it.

One thing is it sounds like a Harley, with an occasional cough! l.o.l. I have a stock exhaust, but I am not sure if I have all the parts. Russ, I cannot seem to find the parts list. Where is it, please?

Also, timing is 180 degrees around. I have fought with it since I owned it, and I do not care any more.

On the to do list is get the front straitened, might get a bit of welding done, and new window rubber. Next year, I might consider new fender beading and touch-up on the damaged areas.

Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:24 pm

Yours would probably be more like the bottom one.
And here is the rest.

Just go to my site and type muffler into the search.

Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:29 pm

Russ Wolfe wrote:

Yours would probably be more like the bottom one.
And here is the rest.

Just go to my site and type muffler into the search.

Thank you! :D :D :D :D

Mine is the bottom one. I went to http://www.classicvw.org/ but did not see a search: I will take a new look.

Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:49 am

First, a thank you to all made this drive possible! :D :D :D :D :D :D It put an ear to ear on my face!

Yesterday, went for an evening cruise. It shifts differently, but I do not know if it is good, but with the old engine position, it seemed a touch difficult finding the gear (once put it in third versus first). The engine is raised about 15mm +- 2mm.

When starting it, you have to have your foot on the floor, which is worse than before (half petal). After a minute or so, you can start to lift it, but not all the way because it will die. After a couple, you can, and drive away.

Then, when you disconnect the engine, it will stumble and be quiet for a moment. It seems it will get to almost killing, and then revive.

Things changed, new throttle body with tight throttle plate, and the exhaust has little or no back pressure.

Russ, on the first diagram, what size are 10 and 21? What are 12 and 14? Anything else special?

Thank you in advance.

Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:24 pm

architect_7 wrote: First, a thank you to all made this drive possible! :D :D :D :D :D :D It put an ear to ear on my face!

Yesterday, went for an evening cruise. It shifts differently, but I do not know if it is good, but with the old engine position, it seemed a touch difficult finding the gear (once put it in third versus first). The engine is raised about 15mm +- 2mm.

When starting it, you have to have your foot on the floor, which is worse than before (half petal). After a minute or so, you can start to lift it, but not all the way because it will die. After a couple, you can, and drive away.

Then, when you disconnect the engine, it will stumble and be quiet for a moment. It seems it will get to almost killing, and then revive.

Things changed, new throttle body with tight throttle plate, and the exhaust has little or no back pressure.

Russ, on the first diagram, what size are 10 and 21? What are 12 and 14? Anything else special?

Thank you in advance.

how was the heat in the engine bay? it didnt seem to want to die the afternoon we ran it. and it started with the throttle closed last time IIRC. what was the ambient outside temp? My concern is heat right now. if its running cool enough, u can drive it to the ikea and I can take a look at it before we go.

Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:24 am

JSMskater wrote: architect_7 wrote: First, a thank you to all made this drive possible! :D :D :D :D :D :D It put an ear to ear on my face!

Yesterday, went for an evening cruise. It shifts differently, but I do not know if it is good, but with the old engine position, it seemed a touch difficult finding the gear (once put it in third versus first). The engine is raised about 15mm +- 2mm.

When starting it, you have to have your foot on the floor, which is worse than before (half petal). After a minute or so, you can start to lift it, but not all the way because it will die. After a couple, you can, and drive away.

Then, when you disconnect the engine, it will stumble and be quiet for a moment. It seems it will get to almost killing, and then revive.

Things changed, new throttle body with tight throttle plate, and the exhaust has little or no back pressure.

Russ, on the first diagram, what size are 10 and 21? What are 12 and 14? Anything else special?

Thank you in advance.

how was the heat in the engine bay? it didnt seem to want to die the afternoon we ran it. and it started with the throttle closed last time IIRC. what was the ambient outside temp? My concern is heat right now. if its running cool enough, u can drive it to the ikea and I can take a look at it before we go.

I did not check the heat and the ambient was about the same as when you were here.

I would like to drive it to the Locals tomorrow night, and see how it does. If it seems like it does fine, then I will be able to make it to the IKEA. Only trouble is the headlight points right.

Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:17 pm

architect_7 wrote: JSMskater wrote: architect_7 wrote: First, a thank you to all made this drive possible! :D :D :D :D :D :D It put an ear to ear on my face!

Yesterday, went for an evening cruise. It shifts differently, but I do not know if it is good, but with the old engine position, it seemed a touch difficult finding the gear (once put it in third versus first). The engine is raised about 15mm +- 2mm.

When starting it, you have to have your foot on the floor, which is worse than before (half petal). After a minute or so, you can start to lift it, but not all the way because it will die. After a couple, you can, and drive away.

Then, when you disconnect the engine, it will stumble and be quiet for a moment. It seems it will get to almost killing, and then revive.

Things changed, new throttle body with tight throttle plate, and the exhaust has little or no back pressure.

Russ, on the first diagram, what size are 10 and 21? What are 12 and 14? Anything else special?

Thank you in advance.

how was the heat in the engine bay? it didnt seem to want to die the afternoon we ran it. and it started with the throttle closed last time IIRC. what was the ambient outside temp? My concern is heat right now. if its running cool enough, u can drive it to the ikea and I can take a look at it before we go.

I did not check the heat and the ambient was about the same as when you were here.

I would like to drive it to the Locals tomorrow night, and see how it does. If it seems like it does fine, then I will be able to make it to the IKEA. Only trouble is the headlight points right.

all right well take it easy going to the locals and if it gets hot STOP. It occurs to me now that when I set the valves, I was going by the distributor/pulley set up that is now 180 degrees off, so it might be worth re-checking them with TDC where it is NOW as opposed to how it was then.

Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:34 pm

JSMskater wrote: architect_7 wrote: JSMskater wrote: architect_7 wrote: First, a thank you to all made this drive possible! :D :D :D :D :D :D It put an ear to ear on my face!

Yesterday, went for an evening cruise. It shifts differently, but I do not know if it is good, but with the old engine position, it seemed a touch difficult finding the gear (once put it in third versus first). The engine is raised about 15mm +- 2mm.

When starting it, you have to have your foot on the floor, which is worse than before (half petal). After a minute or so, you can start to lift it, but not all the way because it will die. After a couple, you can, and drive away.

Then, when you disconnect the engine, it will stumble and be quiet for a moment. It seems it will get to almost killing, and then revive.

Things changed, new throttle body with tight throttle plate, and the exhaust has little or no back pressure.

Russ, on the first diagram, what size are 10 and 21? What are 12 and 14? Anything else special?

Thank you in advance.

how was the heat in the engine bay? it didnt seem to want to die the afternoon we ran it. and it started with the throttle closed last time IIRC. what was the ambient outside temp? My concern is heat right now. if its running cool enough, u can drive it to the ikea and I can take a look at it before we go.

I did not check the heat and the ambient was about the same as when you were here.

I would like to drive it to the Locals tomorrow night, and see how it does. If it seems like it does fine, then I will be able to make it to the IKEA. Only trouble is the headlight points right.

all right well take it easy going to the locals and if it gets hot STOP. It occurs to me now that when I set the valves, I was going by the distributor/pulley set up that is now 180 degrees off, so it might be worth re-checking them with TDC where it is NOW as opposed to how it was then.

I did not make it, and just finished dinner. Brother wanted to stay until 19:00 at the Festival of Sail to go in the V-29 Russian Sub.

I plan to leave at 6:00, and take it easy. I hope that Gordon will catch up, because he most likely will pass me. The two issues I had was the F.I. pump ground (new spade) and the boot, so I hope Baby will make it.

Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:03 pm

Went to the show, and got 20 miles per a gallon. The mixture is still not right, and I cannot figure out how to adjust it. I am afraid because the spark plugs read lean, and the engine is running a touch hot. Also, hills can be a bit of trouble, and the engine gets really warm, and the auto will sometimes surge forward and back.

Shifting is a dream now the engine is in the correct place.

Oh, and the front heat lever will not go all the way up, thus I get heat even when I do not want it.

Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:38 pm

Man, sure lonely posting to myself, but I tell myself there are a few people that read it when they are bored to tears.

First, thank you Bob for your assistance. I got the "new" sunroof in, and I really dig the orange on blue. Took about five or six hours, but I was doing it without any real descriptions, and had to take it apart several times. Now, I can do it in my sleep. It works like a dream with all the grease and newer cables. I am missing the screw that holds the crank on, and one of the lifter's nuts. Does anyone know their specifications?

How to install a sunroof:
follow the Bentley to remove everything
clean the cables
clean the guide tubes
install the lower center plastic guide
slide the un-greased cable track onto the track, and leave it at the front
start greasing at the tract end of the cable, and as you grease it, push it back along the track
once you have about a meter greased, feed the guide tube on the other end
pull the cable until the track end meets the end of the guide tube
lay the guide tube in the corner and continue greasing on the other end of the cable
as you do, feed it into the other guide
you want the left cable to be in the top of its respective guide, and in the rear track
once the cable is greased, it should be in its final place
repeat for the right cable, with it exiting the guide from the top, and going in the front track on the center guide
move both track ends to the front most of the track as to make them even
install the drive gear, handle, and metal plates
test the cables to check for any problems
remove the plates and pack the center plastic guide with grease
install guide covers, also called elbows, buy slipping in the stop end first, then snapping into position going towards the center
install front guides so the top pins are facing up, and its underside is on the top of the guide
install the center cover plate
crank back the guides to the rear most of the sunroof opening
carefully lay the top panel in, and install cable pins per Bentley
screw the brackets onto the panel
install inner panel

Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:08 pm

architect_7 wrote: Man, sure lonely posting to myself, but I tell myself there are a few people that read it when they are bored to tears.

I keep up on this thread. Its encouraging and interesting. Not to mention there is a boatload of good info buried in these 30-some pages.

Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:16 pm

onerase wrote: architect_7 wrote: Man, sure lonely posting to myself, but I tell myself there are a few people that read it when they are bored to tears.

I keep up on this thread. Its encouraging and interesting. Not to mention there is a boatload of good info buried in these 30-some pages.

Thank you! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Glad to know it has a use. At times I wondered if it was a burden to theSamba and Everett. And is any of the good information from me? Or, do I need to add something? :wink: :lol:

Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:46 pm

architect_7 wrote: onerase wrote: architect_7 wrote: Man, sure lonely posting to myself, but I tell myself there are a few people that read it when they are bored to tears.

I keep up on this thread. Its encouraging and interesting. Not to mention there is a boatload of good info buried in these 30-some pages.

Thank you! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Glad to know it has a use. At times I wondered if it was a burden to theSamba and Everett. And is any of the good information from me? Or, do I need to add something? :wink: :lol:

Come on now....Look at that last post^^ a complete how to just thrown in for kicks. Great info. And you have some good advice givers that kick in from time to time also.
Now that Ive read the whole thing I feel kind of invested in the outcome. I actually get a little bummed when things are tougher and a little excited when things go good. I was actually smiling when I read about that drive^.
Keep it coming, this is like my soap opera.

Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:29 pm

onerase wrote: architect_7 wrote: onerase wrote: architect_7 wrote: Man, sure lonely posting to myself, but I tell myself there are a few people that read it when they are bored to tears.

I keep up on this thread. Its encouraging and interesting. Not to mention there is a boatload of good info buried in these 30-some pages.

Thank you! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Glad to know it has a use. At times I wondered if it was a burden to theSamba and Everett. And is any of the good information from me? Or, do I need to add something? :wink: :lol:

Come on now....Look at that last post^^ a complete how to just thrown in for kicks. Great info. And you have some good advice givers that kick in from time to time also.
Now that Ive read the whole thing I feel kind of invested in the outcome. I actually get a little bummed when things are tougher and a little excited when things go good. I was actually smiling when I read about that drive^.
Keep it coming, this is like my soap opera.

Wow! :shock: Now, I will keep it updated! I am so glad I am of some use. :wink: :lol:

Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:25 pm

I check this thread whenever it's updated, and send quiet encouragement.

More pictures!

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:45 am

rosevillain wrote: I check this thread whenever it's updated, and send quiet encouragement.

More pictures!

I check on it occasionally, but only if it's been updated. I kinda like to see whats been done next. I'd like to see some updated pics though.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:52 am

Thank you all for your interest! :D

rosevillain wrote: I check this thread whenever it's updated, and send quiet encouragement.

More pictures!

I did not know it was encouraging! :shock:

Bobnotch wrote: rosevillain wrote: I check this thread whenever it's updated, and send quiet encouragement.

More pictures!

I check on it occasionally, but only if it's been updated. I kinda like to see whats been done next. I'd like to see some updated pics though.

I will contact my Brother and see if I can borrow his digital camera.

I have some that I need to scan, so let me do that. Not of the Squareback, but are related.