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Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:56 pm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmABNMXRiZE

The bus is too cool. Not real sure about the "music".

Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:01 pm

jah_B wrote: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmABNMXRiZE

The bus is too cool. Not real sure about the "music".

Wow, the misses and me have often pined for VW to bring back the bus like they did with the bug (I think eurovans look too much like a minivan). I'd probably have to sell my house but I'd love to have one of those.

Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:36 pm

Better still, better tent, better music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXTBZLRfR4&feature=related

Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:35 am

hi musktchup,

I'd like to know how you did this. I'm interested to do my own generator to put in my bus.

Wed May 21, 2008 10:31 pm

ghostwagens wrote: Not good for the environment but interesting.

Wood burning kubel

Please tell me that thing has a Stirling engine in it! Amazing!

Wed May 21, 2008 10:55 pm

[quote="greggholmes"][quote="dansvans"] Quote:
if a separate alternator was being powered by a turbo to run electrolysis, then it would be free power. of all the systems mentioned in this reply, the one on this line is the only one where the extra power comes only from otherwise unused energy.

thats a good Idea, using a turbo to spin a generator to make hydrogen...

Or a Stirling engine running off the heat from the exhaust system to generate all of the electricity needed in the whole vehicle, including the hydrogen convertor, and replacing the stock alternator altogether, thus freeing up the horsepower normally used to turn the stock alternator (or generator). This will get you more power, a kickass electrical system, better fuel mileage, and lower emissions. Look it up.

Thu May 22, 2008 10:08 am

what about using water4gas.com

anyone ever think about doing this on their bus?

HHO

Thu May 22, 2008 1:01 pm

I've been toying with the idea of building a Hydrogen generator for my bus. But I have also been toying with the idea of what I'll do when the HHO overheats my aircooled engine and cooks untill it's well done.

Some of the research I have done indicates that aircooled engines are not the best candidates for this system. Bummer I know. Of course some people have done it, but I don't think I will.

Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:49 am

anyone look at the water4gas technology?

i have the docs if you want them...

Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:56 am

You can't get free energy, all the hydrogen generators ideas are pure BS....it takes more energy to split the water apart than you get from burning it!

Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:39 am

rsorak wrote: You can't get free energy, all the hydrogen generators ideas are pure BS....it takes more energy to split the water apart than you get from burning it!

True, in terms of a specific vehicle, but look at all the solar energy that falls on the earth that's not captured for any useful process(unless one is in favor of 'global warming'). The possibilities are real, just not applicable to simplistic 'magic' solutions.

J.R.
68 Westy
(+ others)

Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:59 am

You're right solar energy still has tremendous untapped potential....Hydrogen is at best an energy storage system, abit an inefficient one.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:55 pm

rsorak wrote: You can't get free energy, all the hydrogen generators ideas are pure BS....it takes more energy to split the water apart than you get from burning it!

Just because a salesman represents it as free energy it does not mean that is the actual process.

The first law of thermodynamics and of the Galilean principle of relativity "momentum" for continuous bodies. These two principles, when combined, imply not only the existence of energy, but also the existence of linear momentum.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:17 pm

Spezialist wrote: rsorak wrote: You can't get free energy, all the hydrogen generators ideas are pure BS....it takes more energy to split the water apart than you get from burning it!

Just because a salesman represents it as free energy it does not mean that is the actual process.

The first law of thermodynamics and of the Galilean principle of relativity "momentum" for continuous bodies. These two principles, when combined, imply not only the existence of energy, but also the existence of linear momentum.

Today at 9:38am, you posted this:

Spezialist wrote: Sorry weatherbill, I wont post again on this subject until after my first test, and guess what?
We all know what will happen, regardless of my results, if it works, I will just be a snakeoil salesman rigght?

Any chance of you doing what you say you are going to do?

And as far as this goes:

spezialist wrote: The first law of thermodynamics and of the Galilean principle of relativity "momentum" for continuous bodies. These two principles, when combined, imply not only the existence of energy, but also the existence of linear momentum.

Here is where you got that from:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987CzJPh..37..133S

I am thoroughly convinced that you don't actually know what that means.

Go find a peer-reviewed experiment proving the utility of HHO. Go conduct your "experiment". But stop with the bullshit already! You're killing me over here!

:lol:

Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:30 pm

^^^ He also used it in another hydrogen thread, leaving out the beginning of the first sentence which rendered the sentence meaningless.

The paper is a mathematical treatise and has nothing to do with alternative fuels.

Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:54 pm

GeorgeL wrote: ^^^ He also used it in another hydrogen thread, leaving out the beginning of the first sentence which rendered the sentence meaningless.

The paper is a mathematical treatise and has nothing to do with alternative fuels.
Like you have anything to say, at least when I slip in my own snake oil. I can admit it :lol:

Hey Rob, looks like you got some pull around this jiont, got this thread typed into a mirage until you could research my stinky,, did you learn anything? :lol:

Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:24 pm

i woudnt worry about alternative fuels and "going green". for gods sake, the earth has been here for quite some time, has survived meteors and whatnot. we dont need to "save the planet" itll fix itself once we're gone. haha :lol:

Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:41 am

Spezialist wrote: GeorgeL wrote: ^^^ He also used it in another hydrogen thread, leaving out the beginning of the first sentence which rendered the sentence meaningless.

The paper is a mathematical treatise and has nothing to do with alternative fuels.
Like you have anything to say, at least when I slip in my own snake oil. I can admit it :lol:

Hey Rob, looks like you got some pull around this jiont, got this thread typed into a mirage until you could research my stinky,, did you learn anything? :lol:

What sets me off about the HHO scam is the same thing that bothers me about the Amway scam or the lottery scam. Its like a tax on silly people. I know I should just shut up about it and laugh at the rubes, but it is personally difficult me to see this misinformation spread. Eventually, somebody we might like if we met them is going to fry an engine at worst or look extremely stupid at best.

Look: when you go to any of the HHO-hawking websites and right up top there you see a pretty girl and a BMW - that is supposed to be telling you something. But, oh well, Barnum was right, I suppose.

:?

Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:49 pm

Meyer wrote: ...Barnum was right, I suppose.

Barnum was highly conservative. It's far more than one per minute!