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Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:07 am

Hey Ghostwagens, where did you find the original picture?

I can't see the whole link, and when I click on it, I just get the search page for Google images. I tried searching for "VW hydrogen fuel cell bus", but get everything but.

As for the whole global warming debate / alternative energy - we should try keep that out of the samba. People are entrenched in their opinions (rightly or wrongly), and no amount of internet chat is likely to sway anyone's opinion, and it rapidly degenerates into an endless political argument and name calling.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:38 am

dwill49965 wrote: As for the whole global warming debate / alternative energy - we should try keep that out of the samba. People are entrenched in their opinions (rightly or wrongly), and no amount of internet chat is likely to sway anyone's opinion, and it rapidly degenerates into an endless political argument and name calling. Yes, we've been there, and on the very topic of global warming. Although I have a lot to say on the topics that have been broached in this thread, I will not engage. I do like the original poster's pic of the single cab with the huge contraption on the back, and of the wood-fired Kubelwagen. The two extreme ends of automobile technology, here on the Samba! :)

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:03 pm

jtauxe wrote: I do like the original poster's pic of the single cab with the huge contraption on the back, and of the wood-fired Kubelwagen. The two extreme ends of automobile technology, here on the Samba! :)

I agree - that's why I'd like to try find out more about it!! Ghostwagens?

Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:03 am

I'm not really into the debating either. All I want to see are other hydrogen buses. Also, post pics and info about VWs on the road or on the net that are alternative fuel....simple that's it. If you want to include stats with pictures, more power to you. Go opinion crazy in rants & raves or something. :roll:

I will check the link on the earlier post and update tomorrow.
Thanks for the interest. :)

Kahlil

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:03 am

Quote: I started at the Evil Insurance Company, I found out why they do that. When the claims started coming in, we couldn't help but notice that somebody that wasn't listed as a driver in the household was driving. Turns out lots of "one driver" households, weren't. And Underwriting was charging for one driver, not multiples, so now we, you and me, get to pay for the cheats.

but when we pay just as much for the second car, we are paying as if there is ALWAYS a second driver. and since much of the time there isnt,
i would say insurance companies find the second car presents less risk than the first. so really we are not just paying for the cheats, we are just paying in to a company that doesnt pay out the same amount for claims related to use of the second car, overall.

what bothers me is that a very few companies like State Farm offer a "withdrawn from service" policy, that allows for registration, while forbidding use of the vehicle. if you get caught driving it, the company has it rigged with the state DMV computers such that the cop will know it isnt insured. in our state, if you get caught in such a situation, it will cost you your license for one year, and mucho bucks. State Farms premiums used to be as cheap as geico etc., but they paid out on the twin towers in 01, doubled their premiums. so i had to switch. :(

BTW its not like i want this to get political, but i wasnt the one to throw the first stone. and i wasnt going to let "60s Burnout" accuse perfectly moderate people (who just dont happen to be conservative), of wanting to commit economic sabotage! :roll: that type of extremism just doesnt describe 99+% of lefties, and i think he knows that. being that this thread is about alternative fuels, i would not have been offended by a comment that lefties are, for instance, exaggerating the importance of cars on global warming... that comment would have been at least somewhat on topic, and a matter of observational opinion rather than attacks based on bizarre imaginings.

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:04 am

On insurance, my rates are kind of based on how many miles my car is driven. In years past i had a policy called ( cant' remember what it was called at the moment) but it insured the driver for any car that they drove not a peticular car.

If your insurance knows you are only going to drive a car 2000 miles a year for special purposes you should be able to get a good discount.

if you have a car that you don't use and dont want to keep insuance on it all year, there are the new internet insurance like E-insurance that you can buy ins. instantly and have insurance before you leave for work.

I just added my brother to my policy as a driver and it didn't cost me a thing except a phone call.
just like any other service you buy you have to look into it a little so you don't get took to badly.

PS I do not work in the insurance industry.

Fri May 04, 2007 10:00 am

Check this out!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6472393167194458119&q=water+powered+car

Fri May 04, 2007 12:12 pm

Check out the ENV Bike. It's the closest I think I'll ever be able to afford.

The publicity says it comes with an electrolyzer. And the CORE is supposed to come out and power other things.

Supposed to cost around $7500. Ive been following for years, awaiting production.

http://www.intelligent-energy.com/index_article.asp?SecID=15&secondlevel=816&artid=3709

Fri May 04, 2007 3:07 pm

ghostwagens wrote: Check this out!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6472393167194458119&q=water+powered+car
Cool documentary.
I bet we never here from these devices again though.
A lot of discussion about measuring power out vs power in, but I didn't see any of them powering themselves--plus a net output.
When I see a dunebuggy actually running on water, I'll believe it.

Rob

Fri May 04, 2007 6:20 pm

(OIL) it`s free right??? Think agian!! THIS ISN`T BUSH`S TX.

Fri May 04, 2007 6:49 pm

hydrogen- the most abundunt element in the universe
titanium dioxide- sand
sunlight

If there is hope for the common man as big business continues it's assault upon us, a few acres, a garden, a few meat critters, independent of purchasing energy, we cool. But we need these guys to succeed.

http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogenMNE.html

Fri May 04, 2007 7:01 pm

Hell I have a garden and replaced all my light bulbs with the energy saving corkscrew looking things. When I grewup there was no plastic just good old paper renewable. If you don`t know Plastic is OIL. And the bees are dying. Look it up . And that`s a real killer. But hell I`m just talking..

Sat May 05, 2007 4:45 pm

I wonder, out of all the people that are believer's of man made GW, have any of them actually done anything about it?

I'm still waiting to see the hordes of people riding their bikes, walking, buying their clothes at second hand shops, going without the internet, TV, barbecues...

Wait till the State steps in and says you can not drive your car because you used up all your carbon credits for the month. They will be kicking and screaming then saying it's not fair and that they should be the exception, because they care about the enviroment and that should be enough.

Deron.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:21 pm

Great thread, I'll be back. On a personal note, Hydro maybe a negitive net, but its green effect will outweigh it it the long run.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:58 pm

60's Burnout wrote:

They try with computer models, then they tested them by feeding the weather date from 50 years ago and see if they could accurately predict today's climate. It was about 40% high on predicting the temp. So now they are "adjusting"??? how much weight they gave to some of the factors to see if they can get it right. Without any scientific basis for making that change. Just to see if they can publish something to get the leftys scared.

http://ec.europa.eu/research/headlines/news/article_07_06_06_en.html

Would you call that a scientific basis? I try not to associate too closely with generally intelligent people who refuse to see dogma for what it is.

Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:34 pm

I think the very best way to travel the land is on foot. That's it problem solved. OK, lets get back to info on other alternative fuel VWs.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:55 am

Biofuel Vanagon

This is from Piedmont Biofuels

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/361467.jpg

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:00 am

dwill49965 wrote: Hey Ghostwagens, where did you find the original picture?

I can't see the whole link, and when I click on it, I just get the search page for Google images. I tried searching for "VW hydrogen fuel cell bus", but get everything but.

As for the whole global warming debate / alternative energy - we should try keep that out of the samba. People are entrenched in their opinions (rightly or wrongly), and no amount of internet chat is likely to sway anyone's opinion, and it rapidly degenerates into an endless political argument and name calling.

Sorry, I lost the whole link.

Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:32 pm

two cents worth

trouble with electric cars is they are NOT electic cars!!
they are battery cars,you cannot store electricity!!
the cars use a cemical reaction to make electicity.
a true electic car is one that citys use for transportation
its connected to a wire connected to the grid!!
battery cars have been around for a centry and are basicaly worthless!!
hybrid cars just use an onboard engine to charge the battery
which i consider silly,a clever idea but silly. plus they get better milage
by cheating (smaller engine and stall the engine at stops)
why not use the tryed and true internal com engine untill the gas runs out!!

anyhow thats waht i think!!

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:03 pm

Have any of you watched Al gores movie an Inconvinient truth? As much as I'd like to ignore it, its happening.