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Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:19 pm

chickengeorge wrote: Being married to an Asian woman, I see a ton of racism going both ways. I've sat down to eat at a ton of Asian restaurants (mostly Pho places) and been handed a fork while my wife is given chop sticks. We usually just switch because...she can't even use chopsticks!!
That would be just as bad as us going to a burger joint and the kid bringing her a pair of chopsticks and me a fork. When we got "legally" married, we had to kind of run off to Idaho to do it. Her parents didn't approve, so we just went. The justice O the piece who married us asked my wife (raised Presbyterian) if it was OK to give a "Christan" wedding.

You're asking the wrong one us...fool.

Hell, we should all be offended if someone hands us a fork or chopsticks to eat a hamburger.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:29 pm

chickengeorge wrote: Being married to an Asian woman, I see a ton of racism going both ways. I've sat down to eat at a ton of Asian restaurants (mostly Pho places) and been handed a fork while my wife is given chop sticks. We usually just switch because...she can't even use chopsticks!!
That would be just as bad as us going to a burger joint and the kid bringing her a pair of chopsticks and me a fork. When we got "legally" married, we had to kind of run off to Idaho to do it. Her parents didn't approve, so we just went. The justice O the piece who married us asked my wife (raised Presbyterian) if it was OK to give a "Christan" wedding.

You're asking the wrong one us...fool.

By "legally" married do you mean when she turned 16, hence the reason to run to Idaho and get hitched?

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:33 pm

Icy wrote: chickengeorge wrote: Being married to an Asian woman, I see a ton of racism going both ways. I've sat down to eat at a ton of Asian restaurants (mostly Pho places) and been handed a fork while my wife is given chop sticks. We usually just switch because...she can't even use chopsticks!!
That would be just as bad as us going to a burger joint and the kid bringing her a pair of chopsticks and me a fork. When we got "legally" married, we had to kind of run off to Idaho to do it. Her parents didn't approve, so we just went. The justice O the piece who married us asked my wife (raised Presbyterian) if it was OK to give a "Christan" wedding.

You're asking the wrong one us...fool.

By "legally" married do you mean when she turned 16, hence the reason to run to Idaho and get hitched?
Nope, she was 16 when we met, but 18 when we got together. What I mean was that we had a ceremony so that her family would recognize our marriage, but it wasn't for 6 years after we were "legally" married.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:38 pm

one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:51 pm

Lind wrote: one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

So would that be a "cracker-American"? :?

Fact is some blacks actually resent that term also because they are from nowhere near Africa! Or how about those who called themselves "chicanos"? Most I've come across claim some sort of roots yet can't speak nor understand a word of Spanish!?! :roll:

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:56 pm

My wife will use the term "American" when referring to something white people do.
An example: "Americans put soy sauce on rice, it's gross!"

But when you're talking about "Americans" and acting like you're not including her in the grouping, she gets all pissed off.

She's whatever she needs to be to get what she wants.

She's a woman. LOL.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:57 pm

Lind wrote: one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

I agree to a certain extent, but if a black person or anyone else for that matter is insistent on using the term "African-American" then why not extend the term "European-American" to most whites that have ancestry from Europe?

Asians would still be "Asian-Americans" but then Latinos and Chicanos could become "South American-Americans" or "Latin American-Americans". But Mexicans and Indians (native americans) would both be referred to as "North American-Americans" as their ancestry traces back there.

There are only 7 continents, resulting in only 7 different types of "Americans" and of the 7 continents, Antartica has no original ancestry, and Australians would still be referred to as "Australian-Americans", so we're really only changing the naming of Latinos/Chicanos, Indians and Caucasians.

Whatever you decide to call people, just be consistent in your terminology. White/Black/Brown/Yellow/Red or Caucasian/Negro/Latino/Oriental etc.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:59 pm

chickengeorge wrote: Being married to an Asian woman, I see a ton of racism going both ways. I've sat down to eat at a ton of Asian restaurants (mostly Pho places) and been handed a fork while my wife is given chop sticks. We usually just switch because...she can't even use chopsticks!!
That would be just as bad as us going to a burger joint and the kid bringing her a pair of chopsticks and me a fork. When we got "legally" married, we had to kind of run off to Idaho to do it. Her parents didn't approve, so we just went. The justice O the piece who married us asked my wife (raised Presbyterian) if it was OK to give a "Christan" wedding.

You're asking the wrong one us...fool.

Sexist!! :wink:

Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:07 pm

johnshenry wrote: Don't worry, racism is still alive and well:

http://www.missblackusa.org/

http://www.missblackamerica.com/

http://www.uncf.org/

http://www.missamericalatina.com/

It's ok to discriminate, be exclusionary and use any words you want, as long as you are a minority.

Guess what John..........................You ARE no longer the majority. Oh, I forgot where you live. :wink:
I can discriminate..........................you can't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California

Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:48 pm

pyrOman wrote: Lind wrote: one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

So would that be a "cracker-American"? :?

Fact is some blacks actually resent that term also because they are from nowhere near Africa! Or how about those who called themselves "chicanos"? Most I've come across claim some sort of roots yet can't speak nor understand a word of Spanish!?! :roll:

those are the same people conservatives like mitt romney expect to leave the US and go to mexico. they were born there, but brought here as infants. makes a lot of sense doesnt it? sending someone to a country they've never lived in or know anything about...

Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:36 pm

Lind wrote:

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

Funny, the other day the 2 black guys working on my crew were talking to each other in the truck and the younger one mentioned something about his "cracker" friend to the older one (my age, 39) The older black dude got upset/pissed that the younger one used that word. So much that he threatened to beat the s@#t out of him if he ever used it again. The rest of us (3 white) had to tell the older one that it was okay and we really weren't offended by it. But he was raised to believe that the term cracker was as derogatory as the "N" word is to him.
And as far as the "N" word is concerned, s@#t thats a whole thread in its self. Who you say it to, HOW you say it, (with a "a" or "er" at the end) where you say it. I was raised that "N" was used to describe a type of person not the color of people. That being said, I believe I have met more white "N's" than black. Maybe a few Asian "N's", but no Hispanic ones.
I myself am fortunate enough to work with others that see past color and origin. We say things to each other that would not fly in some workplaces. We were doing a job for the county and I told the older black dude he was my "token" and he had the NAACP to thank for his job. He replied by telling me he was too busy to get up and whip my skinny white Irish ass. The county superintendent overheard us and had us thrown off the jobsite . All because of "PC" As we were leaving Jeff (black dude) said "Man thats one stupid "N"!

Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:12 pm

Google ads sure can be entertaining. Here's what just popped up on this page for me. I guess they scanned TJ's post and thought it fit. Is is racist or not?

Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:15 pm

Don't forget the Frito Bandito!

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:02 pm

JSMskater wrote: pyrOman wrote: Lind wrote: one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

So would that be a "cracker-American"? :?

Fact is some blacks actually resent that term also because they are from nowhere near Africa! Or how about those who called themselves "chicanos"? Most I've come across claim some sort of roots yet can't speak nor understand a word of Spanish!?! :roll:

those are the same people conservatives like mitt romney expect to leave the US and go to mexico. they were born there, but brought here as infants. makes a lot of sense doesnt it? sending someone to a country they've never lived in or know anything about...

It just flew right over your head, didn't it? :roll:

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:10 pm

pyrOman wrote: JSMskater wrote: pyrOman wrote: Lind wrote: one of my pet peeves is the term "african-american" (and its various other incarnations, asian-american, mexican-american, etc.). I think that it is inherently racist in its general useage because it tries to seperate "african-americans" from the rest of "americans". if someone is born in america, or becomes and american citizen, then they are just an american, regardless of the origin of their ancestors.

but what do I know, I am just some cracker from idaho.

So would that be a "cracker-American"? :?

Fact is some blacks actually resent that term also because they are from nowhere near Africa! Or how about those who called themselves "chicanos"? Most I've come across claim some sort of roots yet can't speak nor understand a word of Spanish!?! :roll:

those are the same people conservatives like mitt romney expect to leave the US and go to mexico. they were born there, but brought here as infants. makes a lot of sense doesnt it? sending someone to a country they've never lived in or know anything about...

It just flew right over your head, didn't it? :roll:

actually... i think it went over your head :?

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:10 pm

Uh, appearantly it did.
THAT's where ALL these racial problems start...one mis-heard or unheard detail...as was pointed out earlier in this thread.
JMS, I don't know if you have ever had any dealings with PyRO...but, he's pretty blatantly 'Kumbaya" :lol: and is hellbent anti-racist.
HIs point was lost in the sarcastic written word.
Carry-on.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:12 pm

Calisupastarz wrote: extend the term "European-American" to most whites that have ancestry from Europe?

Because the term European-American has direct links to David Duke. Google it.

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:14 pm

Church Key wrote: Uh, appearantly it did.
THAT's where ALL these racial problems start...one mis-heard or unheard detail...as was pointed out earlier in this thread.
JMS, I don't know if you have ever had any dealings with PyRO...but, he's pretty blatantly 'Kumbaya" :lol: and is hellbent anti-racist.
HIs point was lost in the sarcastic written word.
Carry-on.

gotcha 8)

on a totally un related note, ive noticed everyone is dyslexic. you're easily the 20th person to write JMS and not JSM. :lol:

Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:31 am

You guys are all too easy! :lol:

Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:48 am

my65vert wrote: Calisupastarz wrote: extend the term "European-American" to most whites that have ancestry from Europe?

Because the term European-American has direct links to David Duke. Google it.

doesn't matter. we're going to take it back! it didn't work with porch monkey, but this time it'll work. you'll see. we're taking it back.