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Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:20 am

Vintage Volkswagen/Porsche
Wide 5 Vw wheels are 5 x 205mm
4 lug aircooled are 4 x 130mm
baywindow bus from 71-79 are 5 x 112mm

Porsche pattern 4 lug are 4 x 130mm
Porsche pattern 5 lug are 5 x 130mm

Watercooled VW

4 lug are 4 x 100mm
First Generation VR6 (GTI, Corrado, etc) 5 lug are 5 x 100mm
Current Vw's are 5 x 112mm

How to measure Bolt circle

the chart above Measures 5 lug wheel in the center of one stud to top of the furthest hole.

Here is another chart that shows another way, but the center of stud to furthest hole is the easiest method.

I am working on Wheel offsets of favorite VW wheels, will post soon as its finished.

Comments please let me know

Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:07 pm

Thanks Thornton!

I have been trying to figure out the reference of 205 mm on those 5 wides for a couple days now... I kept getting out the caliper and tape and coming up with 194mm center to center (skipping one lug)

This really made my day. Finding a set of non-open rims for my 1970 bus has been confusing enough and not being able to even understand how the folks out there, that know these things, arrived at the measurement, was just more of the same.

You have provided a very valuable service with this posting.

Thank YOU!

Dave

Sun May 18, 2008 6:02 am

Hi Thornton,

Is there only one type of stud pattern for a four stud that is on a beetle.

many thanks
Lee

Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:26 am

Lee660 wrote: Hi Thornton,

Is there only one type of stud pattern for a four stud that is on a beetle.

many thanks
Lee

Yup, 4x130. :)

Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:09 pm

Are Vanagons 5 X 112?

Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:20 am

dan macmillan wrote: The site below has a listing of many makes and models and lists the bolt pattern that each manufacturer uses. This should be helpful for those wanting to choose a different wheel on their rides.

http://adaptitusa.com/referencebook.htm

Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:00 pm

68fish wrote: Are Vanagons 5 X 112?

yup.

Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:35 pm

What about thread, diameter, length and pitch of the lug nuts?

Sat May 16, 2009 6:01 pm

ok, this may be a dumb question, but what year exactly did they switch from the wide five, to 4-lug on beetles?

Sat May 16, 2009 6:22 pm

luftgekühlt wrote: ok, this may be a dumb question, but what year exactly did they switch from the wide five, to 4-lug on beetles?

1968 was the first year Type 1 had 4 lug. Not a dumb question.

Mon May 18, 2009 6:12 am

joescoolcustoms wrote: 1968 was the first year Type 1 had 4 lug. Not a dumb question.

I knew it was 67-9 but wasn't sure of the exact year - thanks, I appreciate that!

Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:08 pm

back space on the wheels i have measured

Erco 3 ½ Bubble 3 5/8” backspace
Erco 4 lug rear 4 9/16 backspace
Enkei 5 spoke 3 11/16 backspace
American Eagle 5 spoke 3 11/16” backspace
Flat 4 BRM 5” wide 3 9/32 backspace
Flat 4 BRM 6.5” 4 ¼” backspace
Flat 4 Rader 3 3/4” backspace
Flat 4 BRM 4 lug 3 ½” backspace
Flat 4 4.5 Fuchs 4 ½” backspace
Flat 4 4 Lug sprint star 3 11/16” backspace
Flat 4 5 lug sprint star 3 ½” backspace
Flat 4 5.5 Fuchs 5” backspace
Spindle mount 4” = to a 3” backspace
American Eagle 2.0 4 5/8” backspace
Riviera 90mm
American eagle Riviera 97mm

Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:46 pm

Is there any adapters tp put 58 wheels on a 72 ?

Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:09 pm

cadillacraig wrote: Is there any adapters tp put 58 wheels on a 72 ?

yes we sell them at my work(dubbers toy box). they are made by bugack and about 3/8" thick steel. so they will pus teh wheel out just slightly

Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:59 am

58deluxerag wrote: 68fish wrote: Are Vanagons 5 X 112?

yup.

Ironically, I just bought a 87 Vanagon Synchro and laid one wheel on top of a 71 Bus rim, and the holes do not line up. I don't have calipers, so I can't check it that way, but the Vanagon wheel bolt pattern seemed just a bit wider. ???

Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:33 am

Need more water cooled info:
ach60 wrote: OK here are a few simple things to remember
A1 & A2 VW use 4 on 100 bolt circle. (1974 thru 1992 Golf,Jetta, Scirocco Dasher, Quantum, Fox)
Be careful Audis of this age used 4 on 108 bolt circle on some models, and others used 5 on 112 bolt circle.
A3 & B3/B4 use 4 on 100 EXCEPT VR6 cars use 5 x 100 (1993 thru 1997 Golf, Jetta, Cabriolet, Corrado, Passat)
A4 use 5 on 100 bolt circle (1998-2005) Golf, Jetta, New Beetle
B5/B5.5 use 5 on 112 bolt Circle (1998 - 2005) Passat and most Audi
A5 use 5 on 112 bolt circle (all VW's except new Beetle & Touareg)
71 & up Bus, Vanagon, and Eurovan all used 5 x 112 bolt circle.
Touareg use 5 x 130 bolt circle, New Beetles (2006 to 2010) are A4 chassis use 5 x 100 bolt circle.

Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:47 am

peaceful warrior wrote: 58deluxerag wrote: 68fish wrote: Are Vanagons 5 X 112?

yup.

Ironically, I just bought a 87 Vanagon Synchro and laid one wheel on top of a 71 Bus rim, and the holes do not line up. I don't have calipers, so I can't check it that way, but the Vanagon wheel bolt pattern seemed just a bit wider. ???

Not, Bus-Vanagon-Syncro all 5 x 112
http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/vanagon/All_About_16-Wheels_And_The_CV_900.htm

http://www.syncro.org/Tires.shtml#Wheels

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:06 am

Are all AC 5s, 'Wide Fives'? I just bought a bunch of wheels for my Manx and am scared that maybe I didn't know about 'narrow' fives.

Jim

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:25 am

Yeah all air-cooled vw's that had 5 lug wheels are wide 5

Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:01 am

Whew! Gratzie Thornton..

Jim