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Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:12 am

I have a 62 and a 64. My quandry is: Both lids look the same from outside (both are church key) but the 62 has old stlye prop while 64 has the newer style prop. The mounting points for the props are a different stamping and a different location.This makes 64 engine lids a one year only by what I have seen. 65 on up are no longer church key. Does anyone have a 64 engine lid for my Ruby Red Kombi? Maybe someone can shed some light on this subject. I am finding that 64 has some parts that are pretty year specific like the front doors. Appear to be same as 65-67 but have different mechanism and cutout for mech.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:39 am

type241 wrote: 65 on up are no longer church key.

1965 uses church key also.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:49 am

OK so 64-65 have church key and spring rod prop correct? What about 63? Is this the transition like big rear hatch, inward louvers, lip wheel well? Oh yeah what about the front doors for 64? This makes it a great time trying to find these transition era parts.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:50 am

you can look it up in the parts list for the exact change, but I believe it is early into the '64 model year that the prop changed. th church key is through '65 model year.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:40 am

The engine lid prop changed when the front doors got the prop opens and the push button door handles, mid dec 1963, partway into the 64 model year.
The tab on the decklid where the prop screws on was moved, and is a different shape.
They dropped the church key for the 66 model year.
66 and 67 engine lids are actually different from each other, with a different push button latch. It is a small cosmetic thing. But a 67 latch did not fit the 66 engine lid. I had to hunt a 66 latch for the deluxe.
The 66 bus engine lid latch is the same as 65-66 beetle engine lid latch.

The online parts list's URL is in my sig.

Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:29 pm

Clara Quote: 66 and 67 engine lids are actually different from each other, with a different push button latch. It is a small cosmetic thing. But a 67 latch did not fit the 66 engine lid.

Any small pics of the differences?

Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:04 pm

BarryL wrote: Clara Quote: 66 and 67 engine lids are actually different from each other, with a different push button latch. It is a small cosmetic thing. But a 67 latch did not fit the 66 engine lid.

Any small pics of the differences?

Is it the latch itself or the tumbler as the '67 used a different profile?

Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:22 pm

The area of the engine lid itself is different.
I am not talking about keys or tumblers.

'67 with latch:

'66 with latch:

'66 w/o latch:

Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:02 pm

The '66 latch is 2 piece too. I have part #113 827 503.
The '67 latch that I have is 113 827 503 E/F. Neither has key holes. Not sure why they are not 211 #'s...

Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:30 pm

BarryL wrote:
Any small pics of the differences?

'67:

'66: See Clara's picture

The latches differ...but 1100 pictures, and not a single picture of the '67 latch. Only of a smashed '66 latch. Heh!

Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:27 am

By the pictures it looks like both latches fit both holes. Clara, what didn't fit about the '67 latch into the '66 hole? Is the center-to-center different on the latch holes?

Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:27 am

BarryL wrote: By the pictures it looks like both latches fit both holes. Clara, what didn't fit about the '67 latch into the '66 hole? Is the center-to-center different on the latch holes?
My 66 deluxe did not have a latch on, so I took one off a extra 67 decklid, and it did not fit. It did not fit the hole. No. Sorry. So I looked it up in the parts list.
Different part.

Look at the pics again. The decklids have different holes:

The 66 lid has a funny shaped hole, and the latch has two parts. 66:

The 67 lid has a square hole and 3 holes for screws. 67:

Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:43 pm

BarryL wrote: Clara Quote: 66 and 67 engine lids are actually different from each other, with a different push button latch. It is a small cosmetic thing. But a 67 latch did not fit the 66 engine lid.

Any small pics of the differences?
66 is 2 piece while 67 is 1 piece.

Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:01 pm

Great and interesting thread! Looking closely at the holes for the 66 and 67, from the outside, the cut-out looks the same for both years--kind of a heart shape. It's the inside piece of metal that appears to be different between the two, with the 67 inside piece being square and having holes for the screws.

Look carefully at the last picture of the red, 67 lid. Am I wrong or do you other guys see the "heart shape" cut out around the holes for the latch? Seems a little modification could make a 66 latch work on a 67 lid, and vice-versa.

Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:38 pm

I absolutely LOVE this detail shit!!!

So, then it follows that the only thing that the "church key" was needed for for on a 1966 model transporter was the gas door! The 1966 deck lid had the push putton latch (lock optional), and on the 1967 models the gas door changed to a finger pull door which finally eliminated the "church key" altogether!

The fun is in the details!

Bill Bowman