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Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:57 pm

Found this video with a turbo spokesman talking about how cars in America are switching from gas to diesel like europe. What would you choose, a turbo diesel or a regular gas car?
http://webridestv.com/showvideo.aspx?video=21270

Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:59 pm

Without a doubt, Diesel. The engine is so much more efficient than gas engines. :D That and ya gotta love the black smoke. :P

Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:45 pm

I've been driving Turbodiesels since 1980. :lol:

Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:52 pm

diesel, hands down.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:38 am

Tram wrote: I've been driving Turbodiesels since 1980. :lol:

the question however, is the american market starting to favor them? just cause you're ahead of the curve... :roll:

Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:06 am

My thoughts on this, for what it's worth are thus:
Diesels are easy to drive. A lot of torque, low in the rpms, and therefor easy to get going, without the wait or lag of a gas engine. While diesel is more expensive than gas, at least where I live, it is offset by the increased mileage. Whether it is a lower emissions engine, I don't know, but I have to admit, I love the seemingly effortless acceleration of the few diesels I have driven.
I have pulled my suburban on a long flatbed trailer using my dad's 91 Dodge Cummins turbo diesel pick up and the power is incomparable to anything I have driven, burning gas. Even with all of that weight, the engine seemed to be doing just fine, with very little bog.
The comperable gas powered vehicle I have driven seemed to need more work or time to get into a power band.

Anyway, my rambling is done. Create a great day for yourself. No one else can!

Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:44 am

I'd kill for a diesel, and even more so for a TURBO! Imagine all that black smoke pouring out the rear end. One of my teachers has a souped up TD, when he mashes the accelerator it's like the hoover dam broke, only the water is black, and the water is not water - but smoke. Yeah.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:23 am

Considering I just got a 2005 F-250 turbo-diesel guess which way I voted.

With the new Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel that is now mandated for all on-road vehicles, the infamous black smoke will be deminished, which is good for the environment. The newer 2007/8 and on diesels are engineered to only run on this ULSD fuel.

Quote: Ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) will begin replacing conventional diesel fuel starting in 2006. The new fuel will contain 97% less sulfur than conventional diesel—sulfur will be reduced from 500 parts per million (ppm) to 15 ppm.

ULSD is cleaner-burning, producing less particulate emissions in both older and new engines.

It will also allow the use of improved exhaust treatment devices to reduce emissions of particulates and smog-forming nitrogen oxides (NOx). These devices can be "poisoned" by the sulfur in conventional diesel fuel.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:35 am

localboy wrote: Considering I just got a 2005 F-250 turbo-diesel guess which way I voted.

With the new Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel that is now mandated for all on-road vehicles, the infamous black smoke will be deminished, which is good for the environment. The newer 2007/8 and on diesels are engineered to only run on this ULSD fuel.

Quote: Ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) will begin replacing conventional diesel fuel starting in 2006. The new fuel will contain 97% less sulfur than conventional diesel—sulfur will be reduced from 500 parts per million (ppm) to 15 ppm.

ULSD is cleaner-burning, producing less particulate emissions in both older and new engines.

It will also allow the use of improved exhaust treatment devices to reduce emissions of particulates and smog-forming nitrogen oxides (NOx). These devices can be "poisoned" by the sulfur in conventional diesel fuel.

we ran ulsd in our 87 kenworth with a 444 cummins. we saw less mpg and hotter operating temps. of course this was a 21 year old truck, slighly less refined than todays rigs.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:56 am

vwluver74 wrote: localboy wrote: Considering I just got a 2005 F-250 turbo-diesel guess which way I voted.

With the new Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel that is now mandated for all on-road vehicles, the infamous black smoke will be deminished, which is good for the environment. The newer 2007/8 and on diesels are engineered to only run on this ULSD fuel.

Quote: Ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) will begin replacing conventional diesel fuel starting in 2006. The new fuel will contain 97% less sulfur than conventional diesel—sulfur will be reduced from 500 parts per million (ppm) to 15 ppm.

ULSD is cleaner-burning, producing less particulate emissions in both older and new engines.

It will also allow the use of improved exhaust treatment devices to reduce emissions of particulates and smog-forming nitrogen oxides (NOx). These devices can be "poisoned" by the sulfur in conventional diesel fuel.

we ran ulsd in our 87 kenworth with a 444 cummins. we saw less mpg and hotter operating temps. of course this was a 21 year old truck, slighly less refined than todays rigs.

I've read/heard similiar on a Ford diesel forum I just joined. Less mpg and slight loss of power were complaints. I have nothing to judge it against since I just bought the truck & it's my first diesel. I read a few articles re: adding "lubricity" additives to the ULSD fuel to counter these issues, but I'm no engineer or chemist etc. Since it's mandated I can't find any of the LSD up here anyway (except farm equip is still exempt) so it's a moot point now. I'll do more reading/research and go from there. My daily commute in it is only about 4 miles, round trip so...

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:00 pm

i didn't watch the video, but i dont see how american cars are switching over to deisel. it seems there are alot more diesel trucks in demand. i've been driving my diesel mkII jetta for the last 6 years. i wish it was turbo. 45 mpg is nice, free jet-A from work is really nice.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:43 pm

localboy wrote: Considering I just got a 2005 F-250 turbo-diesel guess which way I voted.

With the new Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel that is now mandated for all on-road vehicles, the infamous black smoke will be deminished, which is good for the environment. The newer 2007/8 and on diesels are engineered to only run on this ULSD fuel.

Quote: Ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) will begin replacing conventional diesel fuel starting in 2006. The new fuel will contain 97% less sulfur than conventional diesel—sulfur will be reduced from 500 parts per million (ppm) to 15 ppm.

ULSD is cleaner-burning, producing less particulate emissions in both older and new engines.

It will also allow the use of improved exhaust treatment devices to reduce emissions of particulates and smog-forming nitrogen oxides (NOx). These devices can be "poisoned" by the sulfur in conventional diesel fuel.

sucks you got a 6.0. be nice to strange things happen to them when you start chipping them. also they are real hard on turbo's

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:46 pm

myolbug wrote: While diesel is more expensive than gas, at least where I live, it is offset by the increased mileage. same here. i just found a bio-diesel station close to me where i can get r20 for $2.50gal. diesel here going for $3.30gal. .80cents difference.(i use about 60gal a month in my f250) would equal to roughly $50 in savings a month. i am trying it out today, what have i got to lose.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:51 pm

JSMskater wrote: Tram wrote: I've been driving Turbodiesels since 1980. :lol:

the question however, is the american market starting to favor them? just cause you're ahead of the curve... :roll:

The whole problem with the American market accepting Diesel cars can be summed up in two letters: "GM".

I swear they pulled off their Diesel fiasco on purpose so they could continue to sell their unreliable POS gas guzzlers. ANY car company on Earth could build a Diesel engine that gets good MPG and lasts a couple hundred thousand miles EXCEPT GM. :roll:

Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:51 pm

when we were running the trucks we were going through close to 300 gallons of diesel a day

Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:03 pm

doubledoor64 wrote:
sucks you got a 6.0. be nice to strange things happen to them when you start chipping them.

:? Hugh? English please.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:05 pm

arod wrote: myolbug wrote: While diesel is more expensive than gas, at least where I live, it is offset by the increased mileage. same here. i just found a bio-diesel station close to me where i can get r20 for $2.50gal. diesel here going for $3.30gal. .80cents difference.(i use about 60gal a month in my f250) would equal to roughly $50 in savings a month. i am trying it out today, what have i got to lose.

Bio is supposed to clean out the entire fuel system so you may have to replace all your filters once you run a tank thru.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:05 pm

localboy wrote: doubledoor64 wrote:
sucks you got a 6.0. be nice to strange things happen to them when you start chipping them.

:? Hugh? English please.

Don't put a performance chip in the ECU.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:06 pm

localboy wrote: arod wrote: myolbug wrote: While diesel is more expensive than gas, at least where I live, it is offset by the increased mileage. same here. i just found a bio-diesel station close to me where i can get r20 for $2.50gal. diesel here going for $3.30gal. .80cents difference.(i use about 60gal a month in my f250) would equal to roughly $50 in savings a month. i am trying it out today, what have i got to lose.

Bio is supposed to clean out the entire fuel system so you may have to replace all your filters once you run a tank thru.

It DOES. Keep an eye on your rubber fuel lines as well.

Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:09 pm

localboy wrote: arod wrote: myolbug wrote: While diesel is more expensive than gas, at least where I live, it is offset by the increased mileage. same here. i just found a bio-diesel station close to me where i can get r20 for $2.50gal. diesel here going for $3.30gal. .80cents difference.(i use about 60gal a month in my f250) would equal to roughly $50 in savings a month. i am trying it out today, what have i got to lose.

Bio is supposed to clean out the entire fuel system so you may have to replace all your filters once you run a tank thru.

you are right, i was told the same thing.