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Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:54 am

ok not sure exactly what i need for shift rod quides i ordered the old standard guides like you would use for any other vw and it doesn't seem to fit. also there seems to be no way of placing guides on the long rod

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:15 am

Your front bushing uses that metal spring instead of the plastic bushing.

It looks like it's falling out though.

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:27 am

yes, you do not use the later style "plastic" bushing. it will not fit, as you have found out already.
the early bracket and spring are totally different from the later version.

here is what the "m" springs look like out of the bracket. no, they are not for sale, don't ask. does anyone have a source for the M springs?

there may not be any bushings on the long rod either. does the long rod pass through a tube, or is it exposed when it is installed? (can you see the actual rod when it is in the bus and you are under the bus?) if it does not go in a tube, there are no bushings on the rod, only the weird 3-fingered bushing as seen in center of the pic above (no, that is not for sale either). that clips in to the front crossmember, and that is the only long rod guide until it gets to the rear coupler/transmission. if there are no holes in the long shift rod, i would guess there is no tube for it to pass through.
only if your long shift rod passes through a tube will it get the two "plastic" bushings on it.

Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:29 am

i have a double door so i imagine that would put me in the plastic shuttle cock style bushings for the long rod tube? as far as a retro fit are there major differances with a later model front hanger that uses the plastic bushing?

Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:29 pm

should I understand that M springs are difficult to find?

Oh gosh, mine needs to be replaced..... :cry:

Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:42 pm

slow36hp wrote: i have a double door so i imagine that would put me in the plastic shuttle cock style bushings for the long rod tube? as far as a retro fit are there major differances with a later model front hanger that uses the plastic bushing?

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:46 pm

perello wrote: should I understand that M springs are difficult to find?

Oh gosh, mine needs to be replaced..... :cry:

Yes, & someone needs to start reproducing them, both mine have holes worn through.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:47 am

Couldn't you use the later style shift guide bracket and nylon sleeve with the old shift rod or is the diameter altogether different?

Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:49 am

mintonman wrote: perello wrote: should I understand that M springs are difficult to find?

Oh gosh, mine needs to be replaced.....

Yes, & someone needs to start reproducing them, both mine have holes worn through.

i am currently in the process of getting an estimate from a spring manufacturer.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:52 am

BarryL wrote: Couldn't you use the later style shift guide bracket and nylon sleeve with the old shift rod or is the diameter altogether different?
yes you can.

I think you then have to shim the shifter under the bus between the floor and the new/later guide. you can use a couple washers. I think it needs a bit more space there if you do it that way.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:53 am

i had a later (post 59) front bracket and bushing on my 59 and it made shifting difficult. i found the correct early parts, put them on, and since then the shifter works great.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220206

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:10 pm

hazetguy wrote: mintonman wrote: perello wrote: should I understand that M springs are difficult to find?

Oh gosh, mine needs to be replaced.....

Yes, & someone needs to start reproducing them, both mine have holes worn through.

i am currently in the process of getting an estimate from a spring manufacturer.

i got a quote from a spring manufacturer this afternoon. this will NOT be an inexpensive proposition. however, if anyone is interested in getting some, please PM me and i will start a list to see if there is enough interest to warrant spending the money on this.
it looks like i would be able to sell them for between $25-$30 each, and that would include shipping.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:20 pm

Repro :roll:

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:26 pm

profit margin

:roll:

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:28 pm

repro? find some NOS ones carlos. i'll wait, you just let me know when you do.
profit margin? yeah, the approximately $3 (each) profit, if i were to sell all of them, is really gonna pad my bank account.
:roll:

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:30 pm

twinwindows wrote: Repro :roll:

cut in semaphores :roll:

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:31 pm

doveblue3 wrote: twinwindows wrote: Repro :roll:

cut in semaphores :roll:

From a real bus... you and Hazet should make more parts you "cant find" Pshh what ever

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:32 pm

twinwindows wrote: doveblue3 wrote: twinwindows wrote: Repro :roll:

cut in semaphores :roll:

From a real bus... you and Hazet should make more parts you "cant find" Pshh what ever

well, if you can find the original M spring so easily, why did you modify your shifter up front so you could use the later bracket? i have 3 NOS M springs, and get asked all the time to sell them. not gonna happen, since i have busses that need them.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:36 pm

hazetguy wrote: well, if you can find the original M spring so easily, why did you modify your shifter up front so you could use the later bracket?

Why dont you call up George at the butcher shop and ask him. I`m sure he knows what he`s doing.. Let me know what he says

Run along now.

Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:37 pm

twinwindows wrote: Run along now.

:roll:
keep thinking you are the pl@y@ you are not.