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Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:07 pm

This is a really cool project! It'd be awesome if you ended up using a GOL fan shroud. Most people don't know about it, but the GOL is a brazilian car similar to a Golf, but smaller. The older ones had an aircooled VW motor up front, facing forward. It used a fan shroud similar to a porsche 911 fan, but smaller. I'll try and find some pictures...

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:10 pm

this is an old gol:

and here is its motor:

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:27 pm

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:29 pm

worst cooling system vw ever made.

i bet you could fit a tiv in there with lots of headroom

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:36 pm

Interesting; however, I hope you plan on wearing driving gloves on those hot, sunny summer days.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:41 pm

westcoast-paul wrote: worst cooling system vw ever made.

i bet you could fit a tiv in there with lots of headroom

Bullshit.

It worked great in the Gol. those cars are STILL driving around daily in Brazil. The only way a Gol shroud doesn't work well is when you stick it in the back of a bug. The Gol shroud was designed to face forward, with a grill in front of it sucking up air. When the car is idling, it uses the fan for cooling. but once it's up and rolling, the fan doesn't even need to be there because air is coming from the grill.

The Gol shroud cannot work in a bug, but it'd be great in a forward facing front engined car like a rabbit truck.

BTW, type4 motors suck. why the hell would you want to subject this project to those kinds of problems?

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:46 pm

RoachGhia wrote: Bullshit.

It worked great in the Gol. those cars are STILL driving around daily in Brazil. The only way a Gol shroud doesn't work well is when you stick it in the back of a bug. The Gol shroud was designed to face forward, with a grill in front of it sucking up air. When the car is idling, it uses the fan for cooling. but once it's up and rolling, the fan doesn't even need to be there because air is coming from the grill.

The Gol shroud cannot work in a bug, but it'd be great in a forward facing front engined car like a rabbit truck.

BTW, type4 motors suck. why the hell would you want to subject this project to those kinds of problems?
why not say "old people are no good at everything all the time" while we're making sweeping generalizations. :roll:

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:52 pm

let's settle this for both of you, i'm not making it a front engine. i'm not using that fan shrowd. happy? As for the steering wheel...i've thought of that. if it gets to bad i'll wrap it or put a suicide knob on it or something.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:14 pm

Very cool project.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:35 pm

cool project! keep working... about the gol, there was a pickup version (saveiro) that used the aircooled engine to..

from 82 to 84, and the aircooled gol from 80 to 86...
(the sedan and wagon version never used the aircooled engine, and were sold in USA and Canada named VW Fox from 87 to 93)

no cooling problems...

Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:43 pm

doesnt look like he gave up to me...currently its sitting with an 8 inch beam, extended tunnel, and lowered out back

the race is on! who can build the cooler fucked up pickup

Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:47 am

leave it to Sled. Dude, I read that whole thread, several times. Never once did he mention he cut the tunnel, never once did he mention welding it back up. He wrote "better pics tomorrow" on Febuary 16th, it's March 11th! Sounds like he hit a wall.

Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:27 am

westcoast-paul wrote:
why not say "old people are no good at everything all the time" while we're making sweeping generalizations. :roll:

What??? You are the one who started with the generalizations "worst cooling system VW ever made" - seems to me that is your opinion, as you offered no evidende to support it. I am pretty sure Thomas was just tossing one back at you.

Anyway, interesting project DCC - looks like you are having fun.

Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:29 am

Looking good Andy!!!!

Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:09 am

Ha, thanks. You know Andrew is the one doing all the work though.

Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:02 am

70 140 wrote: westcoast-paul wrote:
why not say "old people are no good at everything all the time" while we're making sweeping generalizations. :roll:

What??? You are the one who started with the generalizations "worst cooling system VW ever made" - seems to me that is your opinion, as you offered no evidende to support it. I am pretty sure Thomas was just tossing one back at you.

Anyway, interesting project DCC - looks like you are having fun.

of course, like you and most people on this forum, i have not tested a GOL cooling system myself in a lab, but JR has and i was referenceing his results.

jake raby wrote:
The line up is as folows

DTM
Stock non modified (includes 181 in my testing)
36HP aftermarket
911 style shrouds
center mounted systems that utilize the stock radial fan (these are HORRIBLE)
VW Gol

Nothing performed as bad as the Gol shroud!

I saw no differences in cooling with the 181 shroud that would prove it's worth the money.

My DTM only beat the stock shroud by about 10% in average engine temperature, but it did significantly decrease temperature delta between all 4 cylinders. The biggest benefit of the DTM was the cooler oil temperatures due to the TIV cooler and the 17% of added airflow we direct through it over stock.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153387

cooling system eduction aside - that is one killer project Andy.

Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:15 am

discoloredcurrency wrote: let's settle this for both of you, i'm not making it a front engine.
What are you planning for the engine, type 1, type 3 or ??

Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:36 am

type 1. going to cut out the bed for the trany and engine. Going to make a sheet metal housing for the trany that will dome up to the engine so that it gets air from under the truck, then put a cover over the bed to keep the rain off the engine.

Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:12 am

westcoast-paul wrote:

of course, like you and most people on this forum, i have not tested a GOL cooling system myself in a lab, but JR has and i was referenceing his results.

I hate to hijack further, but I just want to get the facts straight.
Paul, you should have read my post a little closer before you got frustrated and replied. I clearly stated that the gol shroud was intended for a forward facing engine. Jack Raby tested it in his dyno room, not in a gol driving down the street. He was testing fan shrouds that were intended to be used on rear-facing engines, which is not what that fan shroud was intended for. Do you get it now? Of course the fan shroud failed when it was being tested for the wrong application.

Back on topic, this looks like a pretty cool project. I was thinking the engine was going to go in the front, with the transaxle behind it. I thought you were going to mount up a steering rack, add some spindles, and use the stock CVs in a front wheel drive setup.

But now I see that the engine is going in the back, which is pretty smart for getting the truck low. What are you going to do about the engine though? Is it going to be covered up? I'll be watching this project! Don't forget to take a lot of pictures, like you have been!