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Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:03 pm

The "List" of existing KdF Beetles has finally been uploaded onto the site. There are a few more KdFs I'm still trying to Verify or track down.

I want to thank all that helped with info, research, the taking and sending of photos, tracking down owners, etc. It's truly a group effort that could not have been done without you! We all win from your efforts! Thanks again :D
www.KdFregistry.com

Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:15 am

It's very interesting to see this list! Thanks a lot for sharing!

Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:56 am

Suggestion:
1) Remove the two yellow borders on each side so the center text area is wider. That way I don't have to scroll from side to side to see everything.
2 Post the full chassis numbers so everyone can see where the cars fit in the list. Also, if a new car is found, you will be able to tell if it is already in the list.

Add 2-0008032 (1942), owned by Otto Weymann, of Fuldatal Germany. See the June 98 issue of hotVW's for the reference.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:04 am

I had a chance to meet with and see Hermann Walters vw collection when I was at Camberg this past summer. He mentioned the 41 that is on the registry. He said he has been working on the body for over 5 years and found the car down near Romania somewhere.
Can't wait to see it when its done.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:08 pm

Bruce,
Yes, I agree with you about the yellow edge on the right & left. The problem is that in order to do that, I would have to change the websites main template (I did that twice already to solve other problems) & that effects everything else on the site. (distorts Logos turns type into giberish, etc.) I want to solve this too, but havent figured out how yet.

Regarding the Chassis numbers, most KdF owners do not want their chassis numbers, as well as other info, published for fear that a 45-49 Beetle can be converted into a KdF by hijacking real KdF chassis numbers, etc. It's a real possibility that may have actually happened before! That was the main point of creating the KdF Registry to protect things from happening like that. I personally do not have that fear with my car and feel that it is "more" protected by being published (and there for well known). I respect other owners opinions, and some said that when their car(s) are finally registered they will publish all info for the world to see.
In the mean time it would be a good idea for anyone finding a KdF to have the car Verified by us, then Published on the Site.
Any KdFs you do not see published have either not been Verified yet, (the owner may want it that way) or we do not know about the car yet. :D

Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:01 pm

KdF1 wrote:
Regarding the Chassis numbers, most KdF owners do not want their chassis numbers, as well as other info, published for fear that a 45-49 Beetle can be converted into a KdF by hijacking real KdF chassis numbers, etc. It's a real possibility that may have actually happened before! That was the main point of creating the KdF Registry to protect things from happening like that. I personally do not have that fear with my car and feel that it is "more" protected by being published (and there for well known). I respect other owners opinions, and some said that when their car(s) are finally registered they will publish all info for the world to see.

If anyone were to counterfiet a KDF car, they would pick a chassis number that is NOT in the list. Duplicating an existing car just creates doubt.

Publishing the full numbers gives current owners security by adding to the car's ownership history.

Most of the cars in your list already have their full chassis numbers printed in von Pidoll's book. So by you hiding the numbers, you give no anonimity.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:10 pm

KdF1 wrote: Bruce,

Regarding the Chassis numbers, most KdF owners do not want their chassis numbers, as well as other info, published for fear that a 45-49 Beetle can be converted into a KdF by hijacking real KdF chassis numbers, etc.

I can no understand that point at all. If someone wants to fake a early beelte to be a KdF car, how stupid it would be to choose a allready known
number of an existing car? Any KdF chassis number is a "real" KdF number. So if I would want to fake one I would for sure choose a "free"
number wich can´t be prooved so easy to be not the one of the car.
So there is no reason to make a secret out of the numbers.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:40 pm

Yes, I agree with you. the probem is (at least was) that the Chassis numbers from existing KdFs were not a public thing, until now. Owners kept their numbers secret. If a person got a hold of the numbers of someone elses KdF, a copy can be made in another country, registered in that country and the original owner of that number, now has to prove that HIS car was the original one with that number! It is a real concern.
The Registry is designed to protect things, just like the Hemi Registry, the Shelby Mustang Registry, as well as other registries do.

Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:01 pm

Again, only a moron would duplicate an existing car. Picking a hitherto unknown chassis number would almost certainly guarantee the deception, so your argument does not wash.

The 356 guys make their VINs public. Although not in a list, when you click on existing cars, the VIN comes up:

http://www.356registry.org/Members/Finigan/
http://www.356registry.org/Members/Martinez/

And the Carrera RS owners give up their VINs too:

http://www.carrerarsregistry.com/Registry%20of%20known%20cars.asp

Certainly Toyota does not care that the chassis number of their car is public. (1-010036).
The '43 recently discovered in Spain had it's chassis number publicized right here on the Samba. (1-029530). Why hide it in your list?
It seems like you decided to hide ALL the numbers unless specifically asked to publicize them.

Sorry, but without the chassis numbers, IMO, you list is worthless.

Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:34 am

Bruce,
I understand what you are saying. I too would like to see all cars information published. (I published all of myown cars info) I think that it protects things MUCH better. But here is the thing, MOST people do not want it posted, so I respect thier wishes. I have all vin numbers, checked out the cars/vins etc and if it panned out to be genuine, It was posted.
If I told people that the only way they can have their cars "Verified as Original" on the Site, was to have ALL info on the site, there would be only 6 cars listed there. How then does that help anybody when the question comes up "how many KdFs are left?

Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:44 pm

Have you seen this ?
http://gallery.mac.com/neilsmart#100157
I have had the first page translated and its about the ethos behind the KDF
More to follow.............

Neil :D

Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:02 pm

Cool Neil. :D

Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:10 pm

Bruce wrote: KdF1 wrote:
Regarding the Chassis numbers, most KdF owners do not want their chassis numbers, as well as other info, published for fear that a 45-49 Beetle can be converted into a KdF by hijacking real KdF chassis numbers, etc. It's a real possibility that may have actually happened before! That was the main point of creating the KdF Registry to protect things from happening like that. I personally do not have that fear with my car and feel that it is "more" protected by being published (and there for well known). I respect other owners opinions, and some said that when their car(s) are finally registered they will publish all info for the world to see.

If anyone were to counterfiet a KDF car, they would pick a chassis number that is NOT in the list. Duplicating an existing car just creates doubt.

Publishing the full numbers gives current owners security by adding to the car's ownership history.

Most of the cars in your list already have their full chassis numbers printed in von Pidoll's book. So by you hiding the numbers, you give no anonimity.

The VIN numbers are also in the registry on this site.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/registry/

And lowlight ghia's can be found in my registry.
www.kglowlightregistry.com

Registries are hot!

Patrick

Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:58 pm

Patrick,
The anonimity is not my doing. It is the wish of the owners to have it that way. I am just respecting their wishes, that's all. Sure there is info, most of it old, that is printed in different places. In my researching these Lists I found some things incorrect on some of those Lists too!
When I first started talking about a "Public KdF List Website" on the internet, most owners I talked to very much against it. Now, most of them that were against it understand how it protects things them and the Car better. (That's the whole point) I think most will come around and eventually WANT all their info posted on the Website. But then again, if they don't we will respect the way they want it. :D

Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:18 am

Excellent project! Once the registry really gets going, I'm sure everyone would like to see photos of the actual cars next to the listings. That would make it even more informative.

Good luck with your effort!

Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:31 am

Yes, nice job.

Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:38 pm

Thanks guys. Were tryin'.