| runslikeapenguin |
Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Quote: and Mount San Jacinto Community College
you have no idea how big of an ass hole one of the two cops at that college is, seriously i have never seen anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulder.
i think its because the other guy has the new dodge charger and hes stuck with the dodge intrepid. :wink: |
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| dquattlebum |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:46 am |
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Jimmy111 wrote:
Sometimes I think that the cops spend more time on things like this than fighting the real crime. Someone was trying to steal one of my neighbors cars and I called 911 . It took 3 hours for the cops to show up..... They said it wasent an emergency.
Should've said they had a gun. It works...
I called the cops on my neighbor for beating his wife...
Call went like this...
Me: "My neighbor and his wife are fighting and its getting violent, you need to send someone over"
911: "Sir, You'll have to call the non-emergency line for this if no one is hurt at this time"
me: "he has a gun".
911: "We're sending someone right over, please stay inside your house"
lazy bastards... |
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| Russ Wolfe |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:00 am |
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DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!
JDM"s (Japanese Domestic Market) are illegal in CA. That is why my son used to title his CRX here at my address. He had to sell it when he got out of the Navy and stayed in CA. |
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| crofty |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:46 am |
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Jimmy111 wrote: Cheapo wrote: One more reason NOT to live in Kalifornyuh. As if we needed another.
The cops were probably bored. Its not like there's any other crime in CA...
Sometimes I think that the cops spend more time on things like this than fighting the real crime. Someone was trying to steal one of my neighbors cars and I called 911 . It took 3 hours for the cops to show up..... They said it wasent an emergency.
What kind of car was it? :wink: |
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| localboy |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:10 am |
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dquattlebum wrote: Should've said they had a gun. It works...
I called the cops on my neighbor for beating his wife...
Call went like this...
Me: "My neighbor and his wife are fighting and its getting violent, you need to send someone over"
911: "Sir, You'll have to call the non-emergency line for this if no one is hurt at this time"
me: "he has a gun".
911: "We're sending someone right over, please stay inside your house"
lazy bastards...
Wow. Non-ermegency line? Not up here or back home. "Domestic violence" calls are priority 1 calls. ALWAYS. |
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| notchback |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:18 am |
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DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!
These people weren't ticketed for performance modifications, they were ticketed for ILLEGAL performance modifications. You don't have to be driving for that to be against the law. When you register a car, you are agreeing that the car will abide by the laws of the state. When it is modified so that it no longer meets state codes, it is illegal. The ability to have a vehicle licensed to operate on the highway is a privilege, not a right. What is wrong with them ticketing the cars that do not meet state code? If a headlight is out, it is an equipment violation and they can ticket you. If an intake or exhaust system is modified, it is an equipment violation and you can be ticketed. No one was ticketed for gathering. They were ticketed for illegal modifications.
You can spend several hours reading here, but beware, you might actually learn something.
To me, one of the funniest things of this whole "report" is the extremely balanced view that thenewspaper.com presents. (In case you missed it, there is a ton of sarcasm in that statement). Has anyone done any searching to find a report from a reputable news source that isn't biased? Here's one:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/riverside/stories/PE_News_Local_R_streetrace01.4234d9b.html
Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Quote: Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.
Quote: John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."
"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."
It seems that "thenewspaper.com" knows how to push buttons and got a lot of them pushed here. Do a search and find out how many of the reports of this incident do NOT lead back to thenewspaper.com. You'll find very few. |
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| Gary |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:23 am |
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localboy wrote: dquattlebum wrote: Should've said they had a gun. It works...
I called the cops on my neighbor for beating his wife...
Call went like this...
Me: "My neighbor and his wife are fighting and its getting violent, you need to send someone over"
911: "Sir, You'll have to call the non-emergency line for this if no one is hurt at this time"
me: "he has a gun".
911: "We're sending someone right over, please stay inside your house"
lazy bastards...
Wow. Non-ermegency line? Not up here or back home. "Domestic violence" calls are priority 1 calls. ALWAYS.
Gotta remember who is making the call, Mark. We're talking Quattlebum, here :roll: |
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| localboy |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:28 am |
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I've stayed out of the specific debate for personal reasons. That said, Neil is correct in that fact that it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.
Up here I don't concern myself too much with traffic crap. We've got traffic units and the Wa. State Patrol for that. I will however, enforce what I have to enforce.
In Honolulu PD it was different. I'd bang ricers for any violation and the equipment laws back there are, IMO, way stricter than here. ANY non-stock mods must get inpsected by the state, a sticker and paperwork are issued and any police officer can demand it at any time. ANY modification from what the paperwork notes is a violation and those can add up quickly.
I haven't gotten into any mess or gained any unwanted attention from the WSP or any other agency up here. But then I don't drive like a dick either. |
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| dquattlebum |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:45 am |
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Icy wrote: localboy wrote: dquattlebum wrote: Should've said they had a gun. It works...
I called the cops on my neighbor for beating his wife...
Call went like this...
Me: "My neighbor and his wife are fighting and its getting violent, you need to send someone over"
911: "Sir, You'll have to call the non-emergency line for this if no one is hurt at this time"
me: "he has a gun".
911: "We're sending someone right over, please stay inside your house"
lazy bastards...
Wow. Non-ermegency line? Not up here or back home. "Domestic violence" calls are priority 1 calls. ALWAYS.
Gotta remember who is making the call, Mark. We're talking Quattlebum, here :roll:
The "gentleman" was released on bail and the wife was dead a few weeks later from a GSW to the chest... |
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| Erik G |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:28 am |
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notchback wrote: DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!
These people weren't ticketed for performance modifications, they were ticketed for ILLEGAL performance modifications. You don't have to be driving for that to be against the law. When you register a car, you are agreeing that the car will abide by the laws of the state. When it is modified so that it no longer meets state codes, it is illegal. The ability to have a vehicle licensed to operate on the highway is a privilege, not a right. What is wrong with them ticketing the cars that do not meet state code? If a headlight is out, it is an equipment violation and they can ticket you. If an intake or exhaust system is modified, it is an equipment violation and you can be ticketed. No one was ticketed for gathering. They were ticketed for illegal modifications.
You can spend several hours reading here, but beware, you might actually learn something.
To me, one of the funniest things of this whole "report" is the extremely balanced view that thenewspaper.com presents. (In case you missed it, there is a ton of sarcasm in that statement). Has anyone done any searching to find a report from a reputable news source that isn't biased? Here's one:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/riverside/stories/PE_News_Local_R_streetrace01.4234d9b.html
Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Quote: Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.
Quote: John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."
"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."
It seems that "thenewspaper.com" knows how to push buttons and got a lot of them pushed here. Do a search and find out how many of the reports of this incident do NOT lead back to thenewspaper.com. You'll find very few.
my point is this. Unless I've done something wrong, there is no way any cop is looking under my hood. Until you look under the hood, you can't tell if my modifications are legal or not. the differance between a legal header and an illegal one is the carb # stamped on the header inside the engine compartment as far as the law is concerned. same with an intake/turbo/etc. now, I could be served a search warrent, and then they could look. but I would sit my happy ass on the hood, drinking a beverage from one of the establishments so I wouldn't be loitering, until a search warrent appeared, or I was arrested - making my car searchable.
I know my rights, and I do not have to consent to search. I doubt most ricer kids know all that |
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| notchback |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:57 am |
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Erik G wrote: notchback wrote: DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!
These people weren't ticketed for performance modifications, they were ticketed for ILLEGAL performance modifications. You don't have to be driving for that to be against the law. When you register a car, you are agreeing that the car will abide by the laws of the state. When it is modified so that it no longer meets state codes, it is illegal. The ability to have a vehicle licensed to operate on the highway is a privilege, not a right. What is wrong with them ticketing the cars that do not meet state code? If a headlight is out, it is an equipment violation and they can ticket you. If an intake or exhaust system is modified, it is an equipment violation and you can be ticketed. No one was ticketed for gathering. They were ticketed for illegal modifications.
You can spend several hours reading here, but beware, you might actually learn something.
To me, one of the funniest things of this whole "report" is the extremely balanced view that thenewspaper.com presents. (In case you missed it, there is a ton of sarcasm in that statement). Has anyone done any searching to find a report from a reputable news source that isn't biased? Here's one:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/riverside/stories/PE_News_Local_R_streetrace01.4234d9b.html
Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Quote: Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.
Quote: John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."
"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."
It seems that "thenewspaper.com" knows how to push buttons and got a lot of them pushed here. Do a search and find out how many of the reports of this incident do NOT lead back to thenewspaper.com. You'll find very few.
my point is this. Unless I've done something wrong, there is no way any cop is looking under my hood. Until you look under the hood, you can't tell if my modifications are legal or not. the differance between a legal header and an illegal one is the carb # stamped on the header inside the engine compartment as far as the law is concerned. same with an intake/turbo/etc. now, I could be served a search warrent, and then they could look. but I would sit my happy ass on the hood, drinking a beverage from one of the establishments so I wouldn't be loitering, until a search warrent appeared, or I was arrested - making my car searchable.
I know my rights, and I do not have to consent to search. I doubt most ricer kids know all that Sorry, Erik, but you might want to read up on the laws in California. Just registering that car or having it in a public place pretty much gives carte blanc to the police for an inspection. See these three statues for more information.
Highway Patrol authorization for inspections:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2804.htm
Quote: 2804. A member of the California Highway Patrol upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of any provisions of this code or is in such unsafe condition as to endanger any person, may require the driver of the vehicle to stop and submit to an inspection of the vehicle, and its equipment, license plates, and registration card.
Theft investigations. Note that it says nothing about cause. They can inspect when they want:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d04/vc10656.htm
Quote: 10656. The director, deputy director, registrar, deputy registrar, and investigators of the department, and members of a city police department or county sheriff's office whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code in any garage, repair shop, parking lot, used car lot, automobile dismantlers lot, or other similar establishment for the purpose of investigating the title and registration of vehicles and inspection of vehicles wrecked or dismantled.
Inspection of vehicles:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2805.htm
Quote: 2805. (a) For the purpose of locating stolen vehicles, (1) any member of the California Highway Patrol, or (2) a member of a city police department, a member of a county sheriff's office, or a district attorney investigator, whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code, or any identifiable vehicle component thereof, on a highway or in any public garage, repair shop, terminal, parking lot, new or used car lot, automobile dismantler's lot, vehicle shredding facility, vehicle leasing or rental lot, vehicle equipment rental yard, vehicle salvage pool, or other similar establishment, or any agricultural or construction work location where work is being actively performed, and may inspect the title or registration of vehicles, in order to establish the rightful ownership or possession of the vehicle or identifiable vehicle component.
As used in this subdivision, "identifiable vehicle component" means any component which can be distinguished from other similar components by a serial number or other unique distinguishing number, sign, or symbol.
If you read this story you'll see that at the end of the story, at least one car was impounded because of the possibility that some components were stolen. Sit on your hood and you'll probably end up in handcuffs. |
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| Jimmy111 |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:13 am |
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All that is true, But the way that the law is written, any part that is not original OEM is illegal. This includes the reproduction alternators and generators and things of that nature. A carb number just means that the part meets polution control standards. Years ago you could not change your motor with another one unless you did a lot of paperwork. You had to keep the original serial number of the motor or they world scrap your car or issue you a title that was non saleable.
But the whole reason for those inspections is to keep the stupid street racers off the streets. But as said before, I think that they should be spending the money on trying to fight the drugs and murders instead of using it to collect revenue. It seems these days that most Cops are on "Speciial Detail" instead of out patroling the streets like they should be doing. |
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| Long-roofs |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:47 am |
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| The cops can have heavily modified cars and enough electronics to circle the moon....paid by us. Dealing with seat belts, for our safety...(Errr for insurance company profits)...and what is in your cooler, are priority number one! Cops are really a product of a fucked up government. |
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| localboy |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:01 am |
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Long-roofs wrote: The cops can have heavily modified cars and enough electronics to circle the moon....
Logic and critical thinking at work. Wow. :roll:
So you must really hate ambulances and fire trucks too. |
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| Long-roofs |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:05 am |
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localboy wrote: Long-roofs wrote: The cops can have heavily modified cars and enough electronics to circle the moon....
Logic and critical thinking at work. Wow. :roll:
So you must really hate ambulances and fire trucks too.
Actually, an ambulance and fire truck make sense. Cops running your info doesn't. |
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| Rick73Super |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:05 am |
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Long-roofs wrote: The cops can have heavily modified cars and enough electronics to circle the moon....
Not the moon, perhaps Uranus. |
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| Erik G |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:09 am |
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notchback wrote: Erik G wrote: notchback wrote: DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!
These people weren't ticketed for performance modifications, they were ticketed for ILLEGAL performance modifications. You don't have to be driving for that to be against the law. When you register a car, you are agreeing that the car will abide by the laws of the state. When it is modified so that it no longer meets state codes, it is illegal. The ability to have a vehicle licensed to operate on the highway is a privilege, not a right. What is wrong with them ticketing the cars that do not meet state code? If a headlight is out, it is an equipment violation and they can ticket you. If an intake or exhaust system is modified, it is an equipment violation and you can be ticketed. No one was ticketed for gathering. They were ticketed for illegal modifications.
You can spend several hours reading here, but beware, you might actually learn something.
To me, one of the funniest things of this whole "report" is the extremely balanced view that thenewspaper.com presents. (In case you missed it, there is a ton of sarcasm in that statement). Has anyone done any searching to find a report from a reputable news source that isn't biased? Here's one:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/riverside/stories/PE_News_Local_R_streetrace01.4234d9b.html
Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Quote: Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.
Quote: John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."
"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."
It seems that "thenewspaper.com" knows how to push buttons and got a lot of them pushed here. Do a search and find out how many of the reports of this incident do NOT lead back to thenewspaper.com. You'll find very few.
my point is this. Unless I've done something wrong, there is no way any cop is looking under my hood. Until you look under the hood, you can't tell if my modifications are legal or not. the differance between a legal header and an illegal one is the carb # stamped on the header inside the engine compartment as far as the law is concerned. same with an intake/turbo/etc. now, I could be served a search warrent, and then they could look. but I would sit my happy ass on the hood, drinking a beverage from one of the establishments so I wouldn't be loitering, until a search warrent appeared, or I was arrested - making my car searchable.
I know my rights, and I do not have to consent to search. I doubt most ricer kids know all that Sorry, Erik, but you might want to read up on the laws in California. Just registering that car or having it in a public place pretty much gives carte blanc to the police for an inspection. See these three statues for more information.
Highway Patrol authorization for inspections:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2804.htm
Quote: 2804. A member of the California Highway Patrol upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of any provisions of this code or is in such unsafe condition as to endanger any person, may require the driver of the vehicle to stop and submit to an inspection of the vehicle, and its equipment, license plates, and registration card.
Theft investigations. Note that it says nothing about cause. They can inspect when they want:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d04/vc10656.htm
Quote: 10656. The director, deputy director, registrar, deputy registrar, and investigators of the department, and members of a city police department or county sheriff's office whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code in any garage, repair shop, parking lot, used car lot, automobile dismantlers lot, or other similar establishment for the purpose of investigating the title and registration of vehicles and inspection of vehicles wrecked or dismantled.
Inspection of vehicles:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2805.htm
Quote: 2805. (a) For the purpose of locating stolen vehicles, (1) any member of the California Highway Patrol, or (2) a member of a city police department, a member of a county sheriff's office, or a district attorney investigator, whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code, or any identifiable vehicle component thereof, on a highway or in any public garage, repair shop, terminal, parking lot, new or used car lot, automobile dismantler's lot, vehicle shredding facility, vehicle leasing or rental lot, vehicle equipment rental yard, vehicle salvage pool, or other similar establishment, or any agricultural or construction work location where work is being actively performed, and may inspect the title or registration of vehicles, in order to establish the rightful ownership or possession of the vehicle or identifiable vehicle component.
As used in this subdivision, "identifiable vehicle component" means any component which can be distinguished from other similar components by a serial number or other unique distinguishing number, sign, or symbol.
If you read this story you'll see that at the end of the story, at least one car was impounded because of the possibility that some components were stolen. Sit on your hood and you'll probably end up in handcuffs.
quite an eye opener. I would still (politely) fight it, and sit on my hood, knowing nothing is illegal. If I'm arrested for failure to comply, I'll fight it in court using the 4th amendment. Sad that it comes down to that, but my cars were searched before when I was young and didn't know I had a choice. It was always the "your car fits the description..." BS.... Last I checked it was innocent until proven guilty, but we all know thats BS too. |
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| 53 0val |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:20 am |
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Long-roofs wrote: The cops can have heavily modified cars and enough electronics to circle the moon....paid by us. Dealing with seat belts, for our safety...(Errr for insurance company profits)...and what is in your cooler, are priority number one! Cops are really a product of a fucked up government.
And I thought the cops had issues. |
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| myzamboni |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:30 am |
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C'mon Erik, just use the lines from your sig.
Cop:"License and registration and step out of the car"
"Are you carrying a weapon on you I know alot of you are"
JayZ: I ain't stepping out of shit all my papers legit
Cop:"Do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
JayZ: Well my glove compartment is locked so is the trunk and the back
And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrent for that
Cop:"Aren't you sharp as a tack are some type of lawyer or something?"
"Or somebody important or something?"
JayZ: Nah I ain't pass the bar but I know a little bit
Enough that you won't illegally search my shit |
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| Erik G |
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:41 am |
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myzamboni wrote: C'mon Erik, just use the lines from your sig.
Cop:"License and registration and step out of the car"
"Are you carrying a weapon on you I know alot of you are"
JayZ: I ain't stepping out of shit all my papers legit
Cop:"Do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
JayZ: Well my glove compartment is locked so is the trunk and the back
And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrent for that
Cop:"Aren't you sharp as a tack are some type of lawyer or something?"
"Or somebody important or something?"
JayZ: Nah I ain't pass the bar but I know a little bit
Enough that you won't illegally search my shit
FO-SHO! |
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