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Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:19 am

this one would look cool if it wasnt rolling 4x4 status. channel anyone?

Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:29 am

Jimmy111 wrote: Terry, if that is registered, it is registered as a golfcart. That limits it to streets with speed limits of 35MPH and lower only.
Back in the Day we had many wierd cars on the streets of So Cal , but those days are long gone. Now they expect you to conform.... Too bad for inovation...

Jimmy did you read the first post? What about the 50mph, Kawasaki 750 motor or what speed do you think Hwy 101 has?

Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:23 pm

The don't look like they'd be good for the environment. I thought you Cali guys "cared".

Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:34 pm

Do the cops give all the VW people shit that gather at In-n-out burger every month?

And if they are so strict how in the world are so many rods, customs and muscle cars running around there then? I've seen more crazy shit out there then I've ever seen on this coast so they can't be hassling them that much.

I agree though raiding a gathering is pure B.S. and only done for revenue and no other reason.

Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:25 pm

that's ridiculous. Like arresting people with guns because they haven't shot someone YET.

Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:26 am

localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:43 pm

localboy wrote: localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:07 pm

Terry Cloyd wrote: localboy wrote: localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

Conspiring with/supporting felons...cool. :roll: Your parents must be proud.

Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:57 pm

It's always a few bad apples................

Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:24 am

Terry Cloyd wrote:
If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

What is a Hells ANGLE? A 90 degree right angle or do you prefer 45? :roll:

Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:10 am

localboy wrote: Terry Cloyd wrote:
If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

What is a Hells ANGLE? A 90 degree right angle or do you prefer 45? :roll:

:oops: Angel

Localboy are you a officer or a revenue collector?

Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 am

localboy wrote: Terry Cloyd wrote:
If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

What is a Hells ANGLE? A 90 degree right angle or do you prefer 45? :roll:

missed it the first time, but went back for it anyway. nice.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:07 am

God Bless Republican Texas, we were allowed to drink beer if we were passengers in a car 10 years ago. And still are not required to where seat belts in 1 ton trucks.... :lol:

Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:25 pm

localboy wrote: Terry Cloyd wrote: localboy wrote: localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

Conspiring with/supporting felons...cool. :roll: Your parents must be proud.

and yet they (Hells angels) and not the local PD, are the ones scaring off the ultra conservative war protesters at military funerals :roll:

Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:36 pm

notchback wrote: Erik G wrote: notchback wrote: DMNCLNR wrote: notchback wrote: It's illegal to modify the engines. These guys did. End of story.
This statement very vague and completely untrue!

These people weren't ticketed for performance modifications, they were ticketed for ILLEGAL performance modifications. You don't have to be driving for that to be against the law. When you register a car, you are agreeing that the car will abide by the laws of the state. When it is modified so that it no longer meets state codes, it is illegal. The ability to have a vehicle licensed to operate on the highway is a privilege, not a right. What is wrong with them ticketing the cars that do not meet state code? If a headlight is out, it is an equipment violation and they can ticket you. If an intake or exhaust system is modified, it is an equipment violation and you can be ticketed. No one was ticketed for gathering. They were ticketed for illegal modifications.

You can spend several hours reading here, but beware, you might actually learn something.

To me, one of the funniest things of this whole "report" is the extremely balanced view that thenewspaper.com presents. (In case you missed it, there is a ton of sarcasm in that statement). Has anyone done any searching to find a report from a reputable news source that isn't biased? Here's one:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/riverside/stories/PE_News_Local_R_streetrace01.4234d9b.html
Here are a couple of quotes from it:
Quote: Neighboring business managers at Hooters Restaurant and John's Incredible Pizza are glad the problem was addressed. At times, they said, cars speed through their parking lots, threatening the safety of others and scaring away customers.

Quote: John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."

"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."

It seems that "thenewspaper.com" knows how to push buttons and got a lot of them pushed here. Do a search and find out how many of the reports of this incident do NOT lead back to thenewspaper.com. You'll find very few.

my point is this. Unless I've done something wrong, there is no way any cop is looking under my hood. Until you look under the hood, you can't tell if my modifications are legal or not. the differance between a legal header and an illegal one is the carb # stamped on the header inside the engine compartment as far as the law is concerned. same with an intake/turbo/etc. now, I could be served a search warrent, and then they could look. but I would sit my happy ass on the hood, drinking a beverage from one of the establishments so I wouldn't be loitering, until a search warrent appeared, or I was arrested - making my car searchable.

I know my rights, and I do not have to consent to search. I doubt most ricer kids know all that Sorry, Erik, but you might want to read up on the laws in California. Just registering that car or having it in a public place pretty much gives carte blanc to the police for an inspection. See these three statues for more information.
Highway Patrol authorization for inspections:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2804.htm

Quote: 2804. A member of the California Highway Patrol upon reasonable belief that any vehicle is being operated in violation of any provisions of this code or is in such unsafe condition as to endanger any person, may require the driver of the vehicle to stop and submit to an inspection of the vehicle, and its equipment, license plates, and registration card.

Theft investigations. Note that it says nothing about cause. They can inspect when they want:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d04/vc10656.htm
Quote: 10656. The director, deputy director, registrar, deputy registrar, and investigators of the department, and members of a city police department or county sheriff's office whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code in any garage, repair shop, parking lot, used car lot, automobile dismantlers lot, or other similar establishment for the purpose of investigating the title and registration of vehicles and inspection of vehicles wrecked or dismantled.

Inspection of vehicles:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2805.htm

Quote: 2805. (a) For the purpose of locating stolen vehicles, (1) any member of the California Highway Patrol, or (2) a member of a city police department, a member of a county sheriff's office, or a district attorney investigator, whose primary responsibility is to conduct vehicle theft investigations, may inspect any vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code, or any identifiable vehicle component thereof, on a highway or in any public garage, repair shop, terminal, parking lot, new or used car lot, automobile dismantler's lot, vehicle shredding facility, vehicle leasing or rental lot, vehicle equipment rental yard, vehicle salvage pool, or other similar establishment, or any agricultural or construction work location where work is being actively performed, and may inspect the title or registration of vehicles, in order to establish the rightful ownership or possession of the vehicle or identifiable vehicle component.

As used in this subdivision, "identifiable vehicle component" means any component which can be distinguished from other similar components by a serial number or other unique distinguishing number, sign, or symbol.

If you read this story you'll see that at the end of the story, at least one car was impounded because of the possibility that some components were stolen. Sit on your hood and you'll probably end up in handcuffs.

As usual :roll:

Do you really think this law is even constitutional? I see several potential points of argument in the courts, not least of which is that this law TARGETS a specific group of individuals, meaning that although the "law" applys to everyone, only a certain demographic is actually being ticketed.

when are people going to realize that just because a law is written and passed, doesn't mean its constitutional or even right? the people who MAKE laws make them for MONEY. with enough money and support from key groups, you could make ANY law pass with it worded in a certain ambiguous or confusing enough way.

case in point: Jim crow laws and similar. just because they passed, and just because they existed as laws, didn't make them constitutional or right. Then there are laws that simply don't work, like Prohibition. Whatever group that is the majority at the time makes the base for laws, right now we are in a transition period from one mindset to another, and you, notchback, are the perfect example. A few years from now, your opinion and those of people like you won't matter anymore, because the new majority will view it as biased, illogical, and dated compared with the issues confronting us now. thats basically the same reasoning thats been applied to ALL laws made in haste and in knee-jerk reply to something viewed as a "threat". It will pass.

I'm really sick and tired of people throwing down the "its the law!" card and then standing back all proud of themselves and their clearly higher intelligence than the rest of us mere mortals.

there are laws made and then repealed every day in this country, because some are just frivolous, don't work, or are plain illegal and should never have been passed in the first place.

Whether you like it or not, ricers are here to stay. they are a group in their own right, and whether they choose to make modifications or not to their engines is their choice. You don't see the Mustang or Corvette crowd being ticketed! And they're always touting the better performance for less money from THEIR souped up engines. And lets not even talk about the raised truck crowd, who IMO pose a bigger danger risk than ricers. its clear that the "law" in this case, is a load of BS.

And in terms of ANY modifications, guess we all should return our cold air intakes and replacement larger SA radiators. :roll:

Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:12 pm

JSMskater wrote: localboy wrote: Terry Cloyd wrote: localboy wrote: localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

Conspiring with/supporting felons...cool. :roll: Your parents must be proud.

and yet they (Hells angels) and not the local PD, are the ones scaring off the ultra conservative war protesters at military funerals :roll:

:roll: Sigh...that's because unlike the Hell's Angels, we are sworn to UPHOLD the laws & Constitution of the U.S. even when we disagree with the messages or the messengers.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:06 pm

Save your blood pressure Mark.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:31 pm

Driving is a privilege, not a right. The Constitution has nothing to do with it.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:02 pm

Russ Wolfe wrote: Save your blood pressure Mark.

You're right, Russ. Sometimes there's no benefit to explaining issues that some folks are too ignorant or close-minded to comprehend. Just checked it though...110/70! \:D/

Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:26 pm

localboy wrote: JSMskater wrote: localboy wrote: Terry Cloyd wrote: localboy wrote: localboy wrote: ...it was the mods of equipment that got the attention, not the act of gathering. However i those gatherings, they obviously pissed the property owners/businesses off, who in turn complained to the local PDs/politicians and voila....action. Don't blame the cops for doing their jobs. We got bosses etc to answer to just like most of you.

Like I said; they got bosses to anwer to just like you. Cops are an easy target, but like you, they are simply doing their job.

If I was to donate to a good cause it would be Hells Angles.

Conspiring with/supporting felons...cool. :roll: Your parents must be proud.

and yet they (Hells angels) and not the local PD, are the ones scaring off the ultra conservative war protesters at military funerals :roll:

:roll: Sigh...that's because unlike the Hell's Angels, we are sworn to UPHOLD the laws & Constitution of the U.S. even when we disagree with the messages or the messengers.

last time i checked... crashing a funeral and screaming about how god is damning america for allowing homosexuality so loud that the priest can't be heard is called "disturbing the peace".

*edit* i felt the need to expound on why I don't believe that all Hells Angels are bad.

when i was in middle school, I was hit by a car that ran a red light, and then drove off. A guy on a motorcycle took off after the car. one of the witnesses helped me over to a local gas station that was on the corner of the intersection, where she called the police. The biker came back about 15min later, having followed the car and gotten the license plate. About an HOUR after that, a police cruiser finally showed up. the Biker and the other witness gave a description of the car, and the license plate number.

what did the cops do? nothing. they refused to take down a report, and they refused to collect any evidence (my broken arm broke the headlight/turn signal of the car). the cops then proceeded to tell me that "hit and runs happen all the time in San Diego" and then despite protest from the biker and the witness to take down a police report, they told us "if my parents wanted to file a report, they would need to go to the station".

they left me there with a broken arm, and refused to report the incident, despite two witnesses having remained for over an hour to make sure the guy got nabbed.

so guess what happened? I went to the hospital, and then my parents and I went to file the report at the station.

we called back repeatedly for over a week, and that report never was filed.

the biker on the other hand, came back twice to my house to see how i was doing, and it turns out he was a member of Hells angels, and a former POW from Vietnam.

so to recap: he chased down the guy that hit me, got the license plate, stuck around to file a report, tried to get the cops to give a shit, and when they didn't he came back a few times to make sure I was all right.

and the cops? they did NOTHING. no report, no collection of evidence, hell they never even ran the fucking plate that this guy worked so hard to get.

my experience with San Diego cops is that they are lazy, and do less to help people than to just collect money.

my experience with A hells angel? pretty cool guy.