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Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:14 am

But just wanted to add that I would never buy a late model bug. Thats 68 and newer. Now the super era is the ugliest bug of them all. I would never ever drive one of those hideous things. Everything about them is just wrong and ugly. Yeah I know they corner better and are more comfortable but if faster cornering was my concern I would not be driving a bug period. Again just my opinion. I know folks will not agree but most will. I taught my wife the year differences and she is damn good at calling them out. She is funny, she saw a late model driving and points and says " bad bug! I think they are ugly!" Good girl :) Nothing like being behind a fat chick at a signal staring at the huge tail lights and the short unclassic decklid and the huge back window that you can't see through cause it's blocked by the big ass high back seats destroying the classic look to any old car. And that nasty, bulky bumper that stays dry in the rain thanks to the huge plastic rain gutter guard thing that covers the 80 louvers in the decklid. But I will say that I know they are safer. The traffic will be able to actually see your tail lights and brake lights. Mine are so small and dim that one day I will get rear ended and my neck will snap because of my low back vintage seats. If only had I been in a newer bug I could have taken that corner faster and avoided the hit! Damn :shock: Choose your poison.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:28 am

I'll say it agen,,
I think any one that drives A early bug and bitches about "Fat chicks" should not be allowed to use any part or technology that comes from them

No 12v! No disk brakes! No dual port motors! No dog house shrouds! No alternators! ext! If you think the early bugs are so much better use there parts! :wink:

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:31 am

I think the overall reputation of supers has been created by the fact that they are not as adaptable as standards. All of the positive changes that came with the super came from either legal issues (the windshileds) or developments in technology which were more obvious than earlier changes, which had been mostly mechanical. Even the front end, with the bulbous looks and "better" handling, only came because of market demand for more room in the trunk, which seems silly considering that there is still hardly any usable luggage space.

The positives aren't that positive, and the negatives are numerous. It makes sense that people generally don't like them. I have one because they are cheap and available. When I was looking, I found plenty of supers and not a single standard.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:48 am

Quote: vw_hank
Posted: Today 12:28 am Post subject:
I'll say it agen,,
I think any one that drives A early bug and bitches about "Fat chicks" should not be allowed to use any part or technology that comes from them

No 12v! No disk brakes! No dual port motors! No dog house shrouds! No alternators! ext! If you think the early bugs are so much better use there parts! . You can if you must. I am just talking about their looks. Ugly. As far as engines are concerned , ill take a 1600 from a super no prob. You are right on disk brakes, I hate those things. Again I am just stating my opinion because I am allowed to have one, so be it.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:56 am

TateFTW wrote: I think the overall reputation of supers has been created by the fact that they are not as adaptable as standards. All of the positive changes that came with the super came from either legal issues (the windshields) or developments in technology which were more obvious than earlier changes, which had been mostly mechanical. Even the front end, with the bulbous looks and "better" handling, only came because of market demand for more room in the trunk, which seems silly considering that there is still hardly any usable luggage space.

The positives aren't that positive, and the negatives are numerous. It makes sense that people generally don't like them. I have one because they are cheap and available. When I was looking, I found plenty of supers and not a single standard.
I'm dying to hear what legal issues involved the windshields. Tell us what your uncle's second cousin, twice removed, heard from the guy down the street who used to be very good friends with a garage mechanic who worked on VWs for over 40 years and knows what he's talking about.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:35 am

Gary wrote: TateFTW wrote: I think the overall reputation of supers has been created by the fact that they are not as adaptable as standards. All of the positive changes that came with the super came from either legal issues (the windshields) or developments in technology which were more obvious than earlier changes, which had been mostly mechanical. Even the front end, with the bulbous looks and "better" handling, only came because of market demand for more room in the trunk, which seems silly considering that there is still hardly any usable luggage space.

The positives aren't that positive, and the negatives are numerous. It makes sense that people generally don't like them. I have one because they are cheap and available. When I was looking, I found plenty of supers and not a single standard.
I'm dying to hear what legal issues involved the windshields. Tell us what your uncle's second cousin, twice removed, heard from the guy down the street who used to be very good friends with a garage mechanic who worked on VWs for over 40 years and knows what he's talking about.

Wow. firstly, go screw yourself.

Secondly, the curved winshield had to do with increasing the distance between the driver and the windshield to conform with safety standards in the US. I'm 27 years old, so I wasn't there. I was referencing something I read in a book. It could be wrong, but you don't know me, so don't act like you do.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:48 am

To each his own really.
I like Standards because they can be fitted with a safari windshield.
Supers for all the reasons listed before this post.
I bought mine not knowing the difference and to be honest, to me, it really doesn't matter a whole lot.

They're all beetles, they're all air cooled, what else do you need?

Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:49 am

Gary wrote: TateFTW wrote: I think the overall reputation of supers has been created by the fact that they are not as adaptable as standards. All of the positive changes that came with the super came from either legal issues (the windshields) or developments in technology which were more obvious than earlier changes, which had been mostly mechanical. Even the front end, with the bulbous looks and "better" handling, only came because of market demand for more room in the trunk, which seems silly considering that there is still hardly any usable luggage space.

The positives aren't that positive, and the negatives are numerous. It makes sense that people generally don't like them. I have one because they are cheap and available. When I was looking, I found plenty of supers and not a single standard.
I'm dying to hear what legal issues involved the windshields. Tell us what your uncle's second cousin, twice removed, heard from the guy down the street who used to be very good friends with a garage mechanic who worked on VWs for over 40 years and knows what he's talking about.

In the US in 73 or 74, it was mandatory that there had to be so much space between the driver and the windshield in case there was an accident. Likewise, the super's dash was changed because they were going to be required to have driver and passenger airbags. Finally, the front end was not just to increase trunk space, but the horizontal spare tire, behind the the bumper was to make it pass the proposed impact standards.

In the end, the crash, the airbag and the impact standards were postponed and VW kept producing standard bugs. Otherwise, they all would have become supers, at least if they were to be sold in the US.

p.s. the elephant foot tailights were also because of safety standards passed in the US.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:38 am

Dazegone54 wrote: I am just answering the question why we bash on supers. They are just super ugly period. Agreed, although the German Lookers are usually sweet.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:51 am

Discussing supers vs standards is a lot like discussing political parties. People are pretty much dug in and aren't going to change their opinion.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:54 am

I like my Super!!..... As long as you lower them they look great!... I get thumbs up all the time!!....... 8)

Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:01 am

I respect peoples opinions and personal tastes. There is a bug suited for all different types of wants and needs. I know for a fact that many vw fans won't touch a 61 like I have. They will only drive or buy a oval or split. Everything else is too new and junk to them. I respect that also. I will never try to change anyones mind or opinion. Rock on.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:03 am

If I'd known that late model Beetles pissed people off so much, I've would've cut up more early model Beetles in the process of fixing my Super :twisted:

Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:12 am

Hey hey , no cutting up earlies ! Super don't piss me off at all. I am glad u restored your super. If late models actually "pissed" me off , I might have bigger issues to deal with. I think the best way to put it is that they are not my cup of tea !

Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:41 am

Haters gonna hate, I love my Super. But I would love an early model ragtop :twisted: One day ill get me one :wink:

Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:05 am

Heck, I thought S.B. stood for SHAKEY BEETLE. :shock: :lol: Either SB or Standard they are fun cars. The Shakey Beetle seems to takes more attention to detail on the front end. Both are cool cars.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:44 am

:twisted:
Whats not to love? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:10 pm

Wasn't really directing that at you, daze :D but at a those who feel the need to bash fat chicks at every change they get. To me, a Beetle is a Beetle. I've owned my Super for two years now and have been to quite a few VW shows and I still can't really see a difference between Beetles, nor do I care. If it's air cooled, it's cool in my book (I also dig water cooled conversions!)! I mean, come on people, we're driving the slowest pieces of %&#@ ever put on four wheels. We all lost the dick size contest years ago, so no need to drag it into the hobby. :lol:
And for the record, I used three earlies in restoring my Super, but they were already cut up when I bought the pieces :P

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:14 pm

Its truly a sad day when beetle enthusiasts feel they need to hate any particular model of beetle just because they think its ugly, for no other reason than the fact that VW changed them all the time to fix deficiencies in the original design. No need for hating.

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:30 pm

I love my standard 72 and my Super 73. I have owned several early Beetles but I tend to like the later models more.

A long time ago I stopped giving a crap what people think about which car I should drive, etc. I drive what I enjoy driving and let others drive what they enjoy driving. Life is much easier when you couldn't care less what others think about you ;)

I have a new BMW Z4 (a birthday present from my wife) in my garage that sits while I drive a 39 year old car everyday - a car that a lot of folks wouldn't be seen in. And you know what? I have a blast driving it everyday as well.

as far as the Supers go - as much as I love my standard Beetle, if I were to go on a long trip in a Beetle, the Super would be the choice - the ride is much smoother