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Wed May 21, 2008 4:31 pm

I know theres a Washington State police officer around here somewhere...

My sister moved to Seattle and sold her car on 4/29. We just got a letter in the mail saying her car was caught running a red light in Lynwood on one of their red light cameras. This was on 5/11. Apparently the car was still in my fathers name (My sister was supposed to put it in her name when she moved...and I guess the buyer hadn't gotten around to putting it in his?) so the ticket went to my father.

I know we can fill out the non-responsibility form, but is my dad going to have to appear in court in Lynwood? I mean...we live in Spokane. That commute is not going to make him a happy camper.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Wed May 21, 2008 4:51 pm

Not police but.... If you have a copy of the bill of sale with the buyers name address and date of sale, it might get you out of any travel.

Wed May 21, 2008 6:36 pm

In California before you are sent a ticket they have to have a clear picture of you driving thru the intersection with the red light . That is why when you get caught here they include about 8 seperate pics of you approaching and going thru the intersection with the light red from several directions :shock:

Wed May 21, 2008 6:40 pm

tubdub wrote: In California before you are sent a ticket they have to have a clear picture of you driving thru the intersection with the red light . That is why when you get caught here they include about 8 seperate pics of you approaching and going thru the intersection with the light red from several directions :shock:

This is true of California BUT you have a right to Due Process to confront your accuser and alot of red light tickets are thrown out of court just for that reason cause how is a camera going to go to court. My wifes friend has done this five times and all five times it is thrown out. I think it would be easier to just stop.

Wed May 21, 2008 6:49 pm

They have three pictures and one video of the car going through the red light. The letter came with a site to go to so we could check them out.

Wed May 21, 2008 7:36 pm

i hate to tell you its gonna be a run around, but it probably is. i am a 30 year old white male. i left california and turned in my california license in 2001. i moved to north carolina. my last name is spelled Riley. i found out about 8 months ago that there was a warrent for my arrest in california because a 44 year old black male whose name was spelled Reilly got 2 speeding tickets and didnt show up for court. a simple data entry error in a california computer cost me about 10 hours on the phone, several letters to the state of california and a hold on a renewal for a north carolina license. all told it took me 6 weeks to get it taken care of. they wouldnt accept the fact that somebody had screwed up on their end.

Wed May 21, 2008 7:59 pm

orangeeyesore wrote: i hate to tell you its gonna be a run around, but it probably is. i am a 30 year old white male. i left california and turned in my california license in 2001. i moved to north carolina. my last name is spelled Riley. i found out about 8 months ago that there was a warrent for my arrest in california because a 44 year old black male whose name was spelled Reilly got 2 speeding tickets and didnt show up for court. a simple data entry error in a california computer cost me about 10 hours on the phone, several letters to the state of california and a hold on a renewal for a north carolina license. all told it took me 6 weeks to get it taken care of. they wouldnt accept the fact that somebody had screwed up on their end.

If they did that it would mean taking responsibilty for thier actions.

Thu May 22, 2008 4:59 am

"This is true of California BUT you have a right to Due Process to confront your accuser and alot of red light tickets are thrown out of court just for that reason cause how is a camera going to go to court. My wifes friend has done this five times and all five times it is thrown out."

That's a great idea! But fat chance it'll fly here in Nawthun Vahginya or for a white guy in DC courts. I think red light/speed cameras are a bunch of baloney. YOU have to prove your innocence - not being the person behind the wheel - as opposed to the man having to prove your guilt. Funny, I thought the Constitution had it the other way around? :-k

Thu May 22, 2008 6:41 am

Dang. We don't have those fancy cameras where I live. Heck, we don't even have red lights. There is a 4 way stop in town though.

Thu May 22, 2008 7:25 am

If imbibing has been involved, I'd take a red light camera ticket than getting pulled over.

Thu May 22, 2008 7:56 am

blarneyman wrote: Not police but.... If you have a copy of the bill of sale with the buyers name address and date of sale, it might get you out of any travel.

I sold a car once that the new owner never registered in their name, and it was later involved in an accident in LA. I guess the new owner must have tried pretending he was me or something because I was getting calls and letters from the LAPD about the incident. I faxed them a copy of the bill of sale and the driver license info of the guy I sold it to and they never bothered me again.

Thu May 22, 2008 8:33 am

notchback wrote: Dang. We don't have those fancy cameras where I live. Heck, we don't even have red lights. There is a 4 way stop in town though.

But I heard they are putting in stop sign cameras.

Thu May 22, 2008 9:16 am

Here in Philly they have many red light cameras. $100 per ticket (wife got one). They get around the due process thing because they issue a parking violation ticket, not a moving violation. City collects its fines, drivers do not get points. The company that installed them already won "due process" cases in court, so it's pointless to fight them.

Thu May 22, 2008 9:47 am

nott5989 wrote: I know theres a Washington State police officer around here somewhere...

My sister moved to Seattle and sold her car on 4/29. We just got a letter in the mail saying her car was caught running a red light in Lynwood on one of their red light cameras. This was on 5/11. Apparently the car was still in my fathers name (My sister was supposed to put it in her name when she moved...and I guess the buyer hadn't gotten around to putting it in his?) so the ticket went to my father.

I know we can fill out the non-responsibility form, but is my dad going to have to appear in court in Lynwood? I mean...we live in Spokane. That commute is not going to make him a happy camper.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

You got a PM.

Thu May 22, 2008 9:50 am

Just so some of you know, in WA State (and many others) you're required to file a Report of Sale form with the Dept of Licensing each time you sell a car. It basically says you no longer own a particular vehicle once you've sold it. It protects you from incidents such as this or worse.

Check your state laws about selling, transfering ownership/registering vehicles.

Thu May 22, 2008 10:50 am

1mechanic wrote: tubdub wrote: In California before you are sent a ticket they have to have a clear picture of you driving thru the intersection with the red light . That is why when you get caught here they include about 8 seperate pics of you approaching and going thru the intersection with the light red from several directions :shock:

This is true of California BUT you have a right to Due Process to confront your accuser and alot of red light tickets are thrown out of court just for that reason cause how is a camera going to go to court. My wifes friend has done this five times and all five times it is thrown out. I think it would be easier to just stop.
Five times? Can you imagine all the times where she ran lights that had no camera's? I'd say she has a serious light running problem or her seat is to far back and she can't reach the pedals...I'm surprised she has'nt t-boned anyone or got t-boned herself yet.

Thu May 22, 2008 12:37 pm

In AZ, wife got photo-radared in my truck for speeding in a real trap (street went from one lane each way to two and a divider, but speed limit went down from 35 mph to 25 mph. Anyway, truck was registered to me, so all I had to do was send in a photocopy of my driver's license and state that it was "not me". AZ would like if I would identify the driver, but I'm not compelled to. Morale of story: at least in AZ, cross-register your vehicles in spouse's name, so each drives one (at least primarily) in the other's name. AZ is a community property state, so stuff like that wouldn't be affected in a divorce.

Thu May 22, 2008 12:46 pm

localboy wrote: Just so some of you know, in WA State (and many others) you're required to file a Report of Sale form with the Dept of Licensing each time you sell a car. It basically says you no longer own a particular vehicle once you've sold it. It protects you from incidents such as this or worse.

Check your state laws about selling, transfering ownership/registering vehicles.

CA requires you notify the DMV within 10 days.

Thu May 22, 2008 1:27 pm

crofty wrote: localboy wrote: Just so some of you know, in WA State (and many others) you're required to file a Report of Sale form with the Dept of Licensing each time you sell a car. It basically says you no longer own a particular vehicle once you've sold it. It protects you from incidents such as this or worse.

Check your state laws about selling, transfering ownership/registering vehicles.

CA requires you notify the DMV within 10 days.

And, it's a darned good idea to do so. I sold a car to a guy who apparently drove it around LA for several months with no regard to parking regulations. He didn't transfer the title, so eventually the city of LA turned the fines over to a collection agency who came after me. The fact that I had filed a change of ownership shut them down immediately.

Remind me never again to sell a car to someone who drive up in a car with signs saying "Palms Read." :(

Thu May 22, 2008 4:35 pm

GeorgeL wrote: crofty wrote: localboy wrote: Just so some of you know, in WA State (and many others) you're required to file a Report of Sale form with the Dept of Licensing each time you sell a car. It basically says you no longer own a particular vehicle once you've sold it. It protects you from incidents such as this or worse.

Check your state laws about selling, transfering ownership/registering vehicles.

CA requires you notify the DMV within 10 days.

And, it's a darned good idea to do so. I sold a car to a guy who apparently drove it around LA for several months with no regard to parking regulations. He didn't transfer the title, so eventually the city of LA turned the fines over to a collection agency who came after me. The fact that I had filed a change of ownership shut them down immediately.

Remind me never again to sell a car to someone who drive up in a car with signs saying "Palms Read." :(

That is why I always tell folks NOT to ignore that law. It protects the SELLER. We've had cars involved in assaults, drug deals, homicides etc. and guess where's the first place were gonna look for a suspect; the registered owner's last known address. No report of sale...we're gonna come a knockin'.