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Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 pm

heil mr. 81

Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:15 pm

Who gives a Fack, I say.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:19 am

Behemoth wrote: ... the ugly truth is the Celtics crushed the Lakers like they were from Saint Marys womens college last night. It was the greatest margin of victory EVER in the finals wasn't it?

As far as i'm concerned, the thread was over here. :lol:

Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:40 pm

Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:45 pm

Heil Mr. 81

Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:09 pm

Calisupastarz wrote: Can we finally stop the comparisons between MJ and Kobe now please??

Nothing from Kobe, he's an incredibly skilled player, but he's not even close to Jordan. Jordan never killed his teammates publicly the way that Kobe does, and his teams never gave up a 24 point lead at home in the playoffs.

In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

So it was ok for Jordan to sock Kerr in the eye as long as it was behind closed doors right? What you never heard that story?

Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:10 pm

alexs64 wrote: Calisupastarz wrote: Can we finally stop the comparisons between MJ and Kobe now please??

Nothing from Kobe, he's an incredibly skilled player, but he's not even close to Jordan. Jordan never killed his teammates publicly the way that Kobe does, and his teams never gave up a 24 point lead at home in the playoffs.

In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

So it was ok for Jordan to sock Kerr in the eye as long as it was behind closed doors right? What you never heard that story?

Kerr deserved it.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:12 pm

myzamboni wrote: alexs64 wrote: Calisupastarz wrote: Can we finally stop the comparisons between MJ and Kobe now please??

Nothing from Kobe, he's an incredibly skilled player, but he's not even close to Jordan. Jordan never killed his teammates publicly the way that Kobe does, and his teams never gave up a 24 point lead at home in the playoffs.

In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

So it was ok for Jordan to sock Kerr in the eye as long as it was behind closed doors right? What you never heard that story?

Kerr deserved it.

Because he didn't shoot the ball when MJ passed it to him? Yeah that is deserving it alright.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:19 pm

FACK LAKER HATERS

Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:55 pm

BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

Some people will never understand that part Rich. They just assume that because the Lakers have the best player in the league they should be owning fools. But that aint the case. Boston proved you need a team and right now they Lakers aren't there yet. They have definitely shown growth, but they aren't 100% there yet. Give them time, they will prove all these haters wrong.

All of the past winners have shown you need a team, Spurs, Bulls, Pistons, Lakers w/Shaq, 80's Lakers...All of these teams did it as a team. Kobe just doesn't have that support yet. With Bynum coming back next year and Gasol getting more acclimated to the offense. Next year will be a lot different. Bynum at center, Gasol at Power Forward, Odom at Small Forward, Kobe and Fisher at the guards. The only thing that may change that is if the Lakers make some moves this off season, I can see Odom going somewhere...maybe Walton as well.

Like the saying goes...there is always next year!

Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:09 pm

LA Times this morning has the contract lengths remaining. Vladi and Walton don't look to be going anywhere soon; Odom maybe in a year, but I think they will keep him close.

Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:34 am

BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

I guess you're forgetting that Magic won the 1980 NBA Championship in his rookie year, after winning the NCAA Championship the year before. The starting lineup for the Lakers was Kareem, Jim Chones, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Magic (Worthy was still in college). Philadelphia had Darryl Dawkins and of course Dr. J (in game 4 of the series Julius made the legendary "baseline move" which has been replayed millions of times, his most famous). Magic also won the 1980 NBA Finals MVP after the best finals performance ever in Game 6 in Philadelphia after Kareem was injured in that series, where he played all 5 positions on the court and had a statline of 42 points, 15 rebounds, and 6 assists. He was 20 years old.

Seriously, Kobe is a very skilled player, and has to be in the consideration of the all-time greatest. But if you're putting him in the conversation with MJ, I just consider him to be more of a second banana (like Scottie Pippen was to MJ) to Shaquille. Say what you want about Shaq, but he made it to two NBA finals without Kobe, and in his later age, won one of them with the help of another young swingman guard, Wade.

Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:36 am

Calisupastarz wrote: BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

I guess you're forgetting that Magic won the 1980 NBA Championship in his rookie year, after winning the NCAA Championship the year before. The starting lineup for the Lakers was Kareem, Jim Chones, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Magic (Worthy was still in college). Philadelphia had Darryl Dawkins and of course Dr. J (in game 4 of the series Julius made the legendary "baseline move" which has been replayed millions of times, his most famous). Magic also won the 1980 NBA Finals MVP after the best finals performance ever in Game 6 in Philadelphia after Kareem was injured in that series, where he played all 5 positions on the court and had a statline of 42 points, 15 rebounds, and 6 assists. He was 20 years old.

Seriously, Kobe is a very skilled player, and has to be in the consideration of the all-time greatest. But if you're putting him in the conversation with MJ, I just consider him to be more of a second banana (like Scottie Pippen was to MJ) to Shaquille. Say what you want about Shaq, but he made it to two NBA finals without Kobe, and in his later age, won one of them with the help of another young swingman guard, Wade.
Jordan had Pippen, Kukoc, Paxon or BJ, and Kobe has ummm........... himself and an old coach who couldn't have coached the celtics to victory. Blame Phil Jackson who motivates his team by watching movies, I'm sure Nacho Lebre helped Gasol and Odom understand what they needed to do. Kobe did everything in his power after carry LA and season and postseason, something Jordan never did. Did we forget Nick Anderson picking Jordan for the win. Jordan never made teh finals without Pippen, but Kobe has made it without Shaq. Kobe's jumper better than jordan's, Jordan's D better than Kobe's, Kobe has better handle and can take to the hole just like mike. What so kobe not avg. 36 a game means hes not mike. Put Kobe on the young bulls and see if he didnt avg. 50. Kobe is the NBA just like Mike was case closed. If the Bulls had to play this Celtics team we would have handin out brooms and watch the Celtics win in 4.

Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:23 pm

Yesterday was a REALLY nice day for a parade !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

So how is it Phil Jackson did'nt get canned ?? 2nd time to the finals w/out a win ?? Was he coaching from his highchair, or just choke'n his chicken ??

Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:32 pm

first of all I'm tired of hearing what Mike would not have had done. he got His but whipped by the Pistons for years until the TEAM, you heard that TEAM, stepped up and start playing. remember Scotty, Dennis, Grant, Harper, Paxson, Phil, etc... if Mike was so bad, how come no more rings after he left Chicago? I mean zero!! not even close. Kobe is the baddest MF on the planet and everyone knows it, but you all live and die looking for the next Mike and when he tries to get there you all slam him for it. I hated Kobe and Shaq because their hatred toward each other cost the Lakers 3 to 4 more rings and I would never have to hear about Jordan and how he did it all alone. Let Kobe be, this is what he asked for, so just be careful for what you ask, you just might get it. Oh and about phil not being a great coach, you try winning the Indy 500 with a Honda Accord.LAKERS TIL I DIE! OH and one more thing...
fack the celtics

Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:51 pm

Let me put this into words you may understand: "WE CRUSHED YOU LIKE GIRLY MAN!"

Don't despair though, maybe the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Los Angeles Dodgers, Oakland Athletics, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants, Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers ,San Francisco 49ers, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers or even the Sacramento Kings may make it in next year. Statistically one of them should make it to the finals.... right? :lol:

Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:50 pm

Calisupastarz wrote: BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

I guess you're forgetting that Magic won the 1980 NBA Championship in his rookie year, after winning the NCAA Championship the year before. The starting lineup for the Lakers was Kareem, Jim Chones, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Magic (Worthy was still in college). Philadelphia had Darryl Dawkins and of course Dr. J (in game 4 of the series Julius made the legendary "baseline move" which has been replayed millions of times, his most famous). Magic also won the 1980 NBA Finals MVP after the best finals performance ever in Game 6 in Philadelphia after Kareem was injured in that series, where he played all 5 positions on the court and had a statline of 42 points, 15 rebounds, and 6 assists. He was 20 years old.

Seriously, Kobe is a very skilled player, and has to be in the consideration of the all-time greatest. But if you're putting him in the conversation with MJ, I just consider him to be more of a second banana (like Scottie Pippen was to MJ) to Shaquille. Say what you want about Shaq, but he made it to two NBA finals without Kobe, and in his later age, won one of them with the help of another young swingman guard, Wade.

I Love Magic. Don't get me wrong, but when you play with the kind of talent he played with in the 80's it's hard not to imagine he had the career he did.

80 championship - 2 future hall of famers: Kareem and Magic
82 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem,McAdoo, Magic
85 championship- 4 fututre hall of famers: Kareem, Magic, McAdoo and Worthy
87 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem, Magic and Worthy
88 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem, Magic and Worthy

Just saying that nobody expected the lakers to even compete for a championship this year considering what happened in the summer before the season started.

Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:12 pm

BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote: BiggRich wrote: Calisupastarz wrote:
In fact, IMO Kobe isn't even the best Laker player ever - that's reserved for Magic.

I agree Magic IS the best Laker player, but in all fairness to Kobe Magic played with much more talented players than Kobe. Having A Hall of Fame player in James Worthy as a THIRD option to H.O.F. center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar makes it a big difference to Gasol and Odom!!

I guess you're forgetting that Magic won the 1980 NBA Championship in his rookie year, after winning the NCAA Championship the year before. The starting lineup for the Lakers was Kareem, Jim Chones, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Magic (Worthy was still in college). Philadelphia had Darryl Dawkins and of course Dr. J (in game 4 of the series Julius made the legendary "baseline move" which has been replayed millions of times, his most famous). Magic also won the 1980 NBA Finals MVP after the best finals performance ever in Game 6 in Philadelphia after Kareem was injured in that series, where he played all 5 positions on the court and had a statline of 42 points, 15 rebounds, and 6 assists. He was 20 years old.

Seriously, Kobe is a very skilled player, and has to be in the consideration of the all-time greatest. But if you're putting him in the conversation with MJ, I just consider him to be more of a second banana (like Scottie Pippen was to MJ) to Shaquille. Say what you want about Shaq, but he made it to two NBA finals without Kobe, and in his later age, won one of them with the help of another young swingman guard, Wade.

I Love Magic. Don't get me wrong, but when you play with the kind of talent he played with in the 80's it's hard not to imagine he had the career he did.

80 championship - 2 future hall of famers: Kareem and Magic
82 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem,McAdoo, Magic
85 championship- 4 fututre hall of famers: Kareem, Magic, McAdoo and Worthy
87 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem, Magic and Worthy
88 championship- 3 future hall of famers: Kareem, Magic and Worthy

Just saying that nobody expected the lakers to even compete for a championship this year considering what happened in the summer before the season started.
just look at the celtics with out perkins in game 5 they struggled with out him. but he's a big body and his presence in the paint is felt. so with bynum back next year will just have to see how the season plays out. 70+ win season in 09