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Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:34 pm

This is basically to poll the VW community and see what kind of demand is out there for better gaskets , I dont know about you people but im tired of crappy vegetable paper oil pump gaskets and cylinder base gaskets ... any idea's as to what would be nice to see will also be accepted...

Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:01 pm

i usually dont use gaskets, i use a lil of the goopy stuff. then i KNOW its sealed.

not always tho. what i REALLY hate is always changing those damn exhasust gaskets!!!!!!

besides that, ive got a leak free ghia.

Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:32 am

Hey dog
aircooled.net has good exhaust gaskets that dont break down like the cheap junk that is out there. I have had good luck with Johns.

Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:36 am

Real Gaskets makes silicone gaskets for VW valve covers, oil sump gaskets, and the oil filler cap gasket.

I'm using the oil filler cap gasket and the valve cover gaskets. I'll be installing the oil sump gaskets at my next oil change.

So far are the gaskets are sealing, but they haven't been on that long. It's difficult to find a better gasket material than high grade silicone.

http://www.realgaskets.com/files/automobile.htm

Scott

Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:42 am

If you are having problems with your exhaust gaskets failing, before you blame the gasket, check the flanges to make sure they are FLAT!

If you have a warped flange, that doesn't apply clamping pressure in the middle of the gasket, it's no surprise that the exhaust pressure is blowing out the gasket.

I had the exhaust gaskets blow out on a BugPack header in less than an hour. I pulled the header and looked at the flanges and they were indeed warped. I filed the flanges flat and then reinstalled the header with the same brand of exhaust gasket. I haven't had a problem since then.

Scott Novak

Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:00 pm

iowa vw wrote: Hey dog
aircooled.net has good exhaust gaskets that dont break down like the cheap junk that is out there. I have had good luck with Johns.
^.^
tyvm

except...

my engine burned up. :cry:

Scott Novak wrote: If you are having problems with your exhaust gaskets failing, before you blame the gasket, check the flanges to make sure they are FLAT!

If you have a warped flange, that doesn't apply clamping pressure in the middle of the gasket, it's no surprise that the exhaust pressure is blowing out the gasket.

I had the exhaust gaskets blow out on a BugPack header in less than an hour. I pulled the header and looked at the flanges and they were indeed warped. I filed the flanges flat and then reinstalled the header with the same brand of exhaust gasket. I haven't had a problem since then.

Scott Novak
first thing i checked! :wink: i just think my exhaust was to restrictive, and my driving didnt help it any...... :lol:

Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:27 pm

I posted a similar question a few months ago
And the recommendation was this:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=544919
or this:
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=EGS0001&cartid=

Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:40 pm

I have a leak free bug, which i rebuilt the engine my self. I used the "cheap" paper gaskets, but i soaked both sides in gaskinach (not sure how to spell it). I just took the gasket and used the funny ball lookin brush it has, and wipe both sides of the gasket. The engine is completely dry.

Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:46 pm

BugMan114 wrote: I have a leak free bug, which i rebuilt the engine my self. I used the "cheap" paper gaskets, but i soaked both sides in gaskinach (not sure how to spell it). I just took the gasket and used the funny ball lookin brush it has, and wipe both sides of the gasket. The engine is completely dry.

same goopy stuff i used.

whats even better is it wipes right of for the rebuild :twisted:

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:36 pm

basically the deal is im tired of using gaskets that use sealants just for them to be worth a damn , I work for a gasket company and we're feilding the market to see if it would be worth it to jump into the VW aircooled market since the gaskets for the motors we deal with are ... aircooled.... you know what i mean...

let me know

Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:40 pm

Yes there is a market for that.

We need steel core reinforced cork valve cover gaskets.

We need Viton rubber push rod tube seals, case half O-rings, oil cooler seals, rocker stud O-rings, and distributor seals.

Viton rubber intake boots with clamps would make a good completion to the set, compared to the current incomplete kit we get today, hell they still have not figured out we need two thats (2) metal O-rings for both pressure relief plugs. Oh BTW a good solid aluminum ring would be much nicer than that rolled piece of junk you get in the current kit.

A generator/alternator stand baffle incorporating a rubber sealing bead on both sides of the baffle to eliminate the paper gaskets would be nice.

Suppling a kit with thick paper intake gaskets would be much better than the stock tin piece that you get now would be nice too.

A true double lip viton main seal is needed.

Oil pump, now thats a big one. I'm not sure of everything available for making a gasket for that area, but I would think there must be some type of self sealing synthetic material that would fit this need.

The Vanagon Wasserboxer pipe to head exhaust gaskets in the kit would be cool too. They are just like the stock type 1 gasket only the Wasserboxer gasket has a 1 5/8" port. Awesome gasket for ported engines for sure!

Thats about all thats on my mind at the moment if I come up with anything else I'll add to it. IMO the current gaskets are junk!

Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:26 pm

If your company would make better gaskets, i woud definately buy them. It is a pain in the ass having to coat all of the gasets before installing them. i don't know what good gaskets are (or should) be made of like the guy above said, but all i know is paper gaskets are shit. Who the hell came up with that. I think i would get a better seal if i cut my own damn gaskets from cardboard. Might as well, its the same shit right :wink: :lol: .

Could something be done to make some sort of case-half gasket? I know it would have to be really thin, so as to not f@ck up any clearences, or measurements, but is this possible? maybe a thin rubber gasket, or maybe the kind of gaskets used in carb (that black paper-like stuff, used in american cars, and briggs and stratton lawnmower engies). I know it can be a bitch to scrape off when rebuild time comes around, but it will be worth not having leaks, or having to use messy gooey gasket in a tube crap.

Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:50 pm

we specialize in high quality gaskets like your speaking of... i cannot disclose the manufacturer right now but any and all recommendations are welcome ... the more responses we get to this the more likely we will produce the products ... im forwarding this forum to my boss for him to monitor so the more responses the better

Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:08 pm

ill buy a few sets, and ill be recommending them every chance i get.

hell, set up some displays at VW events.

go talk to some reputable shops, prove that yours are better, and get them to start using them.

pick up the phone, get it done.

this is coming from an insurance agent...... the youngest one you will meet! :D

Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:09 pm

SRP1 wrote: Yes there is a market for that.

We need steel core reinforced cork valve cover gaskets.

We need Viton rubber push rod tube seals, case half O-rings, oil cooler seals, rocker stud O-rings, and distributor seals.

Viton rubber intake boots with clamps would make a good completion to the set, compared to the current incomplete kit we get today, hell they still have not figured out we need two thats (2) metal O-rings for both pressure relief plugs. Oh BTW a good solid aluminum ring would be much nicer than that rolled piece of junk you get in the current kit.

A generator/alternator stand baffle incorporating a rubber sealing bead on both sides of the baffle to eliminate the paper gaskets would be nice.

Suppling a kit with thick paper intake gaskets would be much better than the stock tin piece that you get now would be nice too.

A true double lip viton main seal is needed.

Oil pump, now thats a big one. I'm not sure of everything available for making a gasket for that area, but I would think there must be some type of self sealing synthetic material that would fit this need.

The Vanagon Wasserboxer pipe to head exhaust gaskets in the kit would be cool too. They are just like the stock type 1 gasket only the Wasserboxer gasket has a 1 5/8" port. Awesome gasket for ported engines for sure!

Thats about all thats on my mind at the moment if I come up with anything else I'll add to it. IMO the current gaskets are junk!

That's a pretty good list, X2 on everything you listed Steve.
Viton sand seal, anyone? 8)

Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:40 pm

Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:47 pm

miniman82 wrote: SRP1 wrote: Yes there is a market for that.

We need steel core reinforced cork valve cover gaskets.

We need Viton rubber push rod tube seals, case half O-rings, oil cooler seals, rocker stud O-rings, and distributor seals.

Viton rubber intake boots with clamps would make a good completion to the set, compared to the current incomplete kit we get today, hell they still have not figured out we need two thats (2) metal O-rings for both pressure relief plugs. Oh BTW a good solid aluminum ring would be much nicer than that rolled piece of junk you get in the current kit.

A generator/alternator stand baffle incorporating a rubber sealing bead on both sides of the baffle to eliminate the paper gaskets would be nice.

Suppling a kit with thick paper intake gaskets would be much better than the stock tin piece that you get now would be nice too.

A true double lip viton main seal is needed.

Oil pump, now thats a big one. I'm not sure of everything available for making a gasket for that area, but I would think there must be some type of self sealing synthetic material that would fit this need.

The Vanagon Wasserboxer pipe to head exhaust gaskets in the kit would be cool too. They are just like the stock type 1 gasket only the Wasserboxer gasket has a 1 5/8" port. Awesome gasket for ported engines for sure!

Thats about all thats on my mind at the moment if I come up with anything else I'll add to it. IMO the current gaskets are junk!

That's a pretty good list, X2 on everything you listed Steve.
Viton sand seal, anyone? 8)

+1 more on the sand seal in Viton.

Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:18 am

dog_jr911 wrote: hell, set up some displays at VW events.

go talk to some reputable shops, prove that yours are better, and get them to start using them.

Hell all you got to do is set the paper gasket next to your updated gasket, and see which one people will buy :wink: . I will definately buy a few sets. Any idea on how much your new set would cost?

Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:39 am

im probably in few at least 2-3 sets off the bat

Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:31 pm

you can count on it being more than your standard set from kragen... definately count on it... but it shouldnt be astronomical either