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Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:18 pm

Well guys I have a few questions. I need to know which set-up is better. 2 inner splines or 2 outer splines. Im getting ready to drop my 64 and im not sure which way to go. I met a guy at the fort wayne dub show and his 59 was 2 inner which really looked good. It seemed to have less camber than the cars ive seen that were 2 outer splines. What are the pros and cons of both set-ups. help me out here guys. All your help is greatly needed. Thanks guys, Chad

Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:35 pm

i did +2 inner and -1outter... and im low but dont have alot of camber like you said

i have a narrowed beam now :wink:

Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:09 pm

I went -4 on the inside, and +4 on the outside...I got about an inch of drop.

Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:55 pm

thanks 4 the replys so far guys and (gals). I was just planning on going 2 inner for the most drop. Keep the replys coming people, i really need your input. :?

Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:34 am

cmdog73 wrote: I met a guy at the fort wayne dub show and his 59 was 2 inner which really looked good. It seemed to have less camber than the cars ive seen that were 2 outer splines.
Nonsense. Keeping trans raises out of the equation, your car with the inners rotated two splines will be lower and have more negative camber than your car with the outers rotated two splines.

There is no "better" of these two choices. There is just "lower." The lower you go, the cooler it looks (another debate for another time, this is the advantage for the question at hand); the tradeoff is you put more stress on your suspension components and decrease its practicality as a driver. Decide how much of a tradeoff you want to make, then find the combination that will get you that low. Two inner or two outers are not your only choices; there are many combinations that will even get you somewhere in between those two points.

Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:06 am

Print this off for the garage:

Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:47 am

You didn;t mention what kind of tires you're running. That will make a huge difference. I went 1 inner knotch and found it to be too much for like liking. I ended up going with 1 outer and totally love it. 2 outter knotches is little more than one inner. Sometimes the inner is a lot easier to do depending on the year.

Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:51 pm

Ill be running 165/80/15's on the rear, and 145/65/15's in the front. It will be almost the exact set up of the car i was talking about earlier in my first post. I know there will still be alot of camber but my point was that it seems like the cars ive seen where they've adjusted inner splines, seem to have less camber. Why is this or is it just a figment of my imagination.

Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:45 pm

cmdog73 wrote: or is it just a figment of my imagination.

Yup.

Camber has nothing to do with which splines you use, it's a side-effect of lowering the transaxle itself. The lower the center goes, the higher the outside ends will be.

Try this at home! You'll need:

1. Some playdough
2. Two (2) pencils
3. Two (2) cardboard 'tires'

Roll the playdough into a ballish-roundy kind of shape.
Stick the pencils into the dough so they are opposite each other(like your axles) and stick the tires on the outter ends of the pencils.
With the 'tires' on a hard surface, move the dough up & down. This imitates the raising & lowering of your transaxle. See how the tires move? That's the camber. Now rotating the pencils in the dough doesn't effect the camber because the axles are still straight from the dough to the tire.

Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:40 pm

It's really pretty simple. There is one pivot......at the transaxle. Having one pivot, the wheel follows the arc. When the pivot is brought closer to the ground, you're essentially moving the wheel up in the arc pattern.....thus it will swing in as it follws the arc of the circle.

Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:44 pm

i am fully aware of how adjusting them works, my original question was or i guess should have been why does it seem that when people drop 2 inner splines instead of 2 outer splines it seems that there is less camber. I realize you will have camber regardless it just seems there is less when going 2 inner splines. Can anyone tell me why this is?

Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:52 pm

You aren't going as far down with two outers as you are with two inners. That's because the spline counts are different. There are more splines on the outer end than on the inner end. Therefore, there would be more camber with two inners than two outers.

You may be seeing a long axle transmission versus a short axle one. Spline for spline, meaning, the long axle car will be down further and with less camber than the short axle car.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:15 am

80 series tires??? You will need to do a couple splines to get the result you want but sorry man your camber will be down right horrible dude.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:33 am

thats what im trying to say. I met a dude at the fort wayne show who had a 59 sedan and the rear was 2 inner splines and it was hammered and seemed to have less camber than the 63 next to him that was 2 outer in the rear. Am i just dreaming or what.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:50 am

Dude, you keep asking the same thing and getting the same answer, because it's the right answer.

TWO INNER SPLINES = MORE CAMBER THAN TWO OUTER SPLINES

Maybe one or both were lying or mistaken about their cars. Maybe the grass was longer where it was parked so it looked lower even thought it wasn't. Maybe it was on a slight hill / bump / funny terrain that made the camber look less on the side that was parked next to the other car. Or yes, maybe you were dreaming. You can keep asking and ignoring the answers, but it doesn't change the facts.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:01 am

Ok, I understand what you are saying and believe you to a point. As to what i said about the guys 59 maybe your right,maybe he was on a slight hill, etc,etc,etc, but explain the pic of the bug at top of this post. Does it look to you like it has more or less camber than a normal 2 outer drop? Her car is just another reason im sticking with going the 2 inner route.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:19 am

You mean the one posted by ladybug89? It looks like it has less camber than a normal 2 spline outer rotation. This makes sense because she said she adjusted 2 inner splines down and one inner spline UP, meaning her car is only dropped about 60% as far as just a normal outer 2 spline drop.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:22 am

She rotated her torsion bars 2 inner splines down to bring it down(counter-clockwise), then one outter spline back up (torsion bar doesn't move, you move the springplate clockwise on the torsion bar) to decrease that drop a little.

Dropping two inners is a bigger drop than two outters.

In effect, she dropped her ~1 1/2 inner splines.

Once you get under the car and see how it all works, it will seem like cake. Make sure you mark your torsion bars & spring plates so you can see what you've done.

Get an angle finder cheap at AutoZone and before you do anything else- take out ONE torsion cover bolt, take it to the hardware store and find 4 bolts that match it, but are longer. It will help get the stupid cover back on when you're done.

Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:27 am

Sid Vicious wrote: She rotated her torsion bars 2 inner splines down to bring it down(counter-clockwise)
Wouldn't her car look pretty funny if she went counter clockwise on both sides? :-k :wink:

Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:34 am

HerrrKafer wrote: Sid Vicious wrote: She rotated her torsion bars 2 inner splines down to bring it down(counter-clockwise)
Wouldn't her car look pretty funny if she went counter clockwise on both sides? :-k :wink:

Well- alright, you got me. For clarification- The details I posted are for the driver's(left) side of the car. Turn things the opposite way on the other side of the car. :p