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Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:35 pm

I'm starting to notice a trend on the car ads. People show pictures of cars with great wheels, steering wheels, shifter locks, cargo racks, or whatever. Then in the ad it reads "Oh all that killer shit you see, well it doesn't actually come with the car - Sorry." BUT they still want a premium price. Just an observation.

Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:37 pm

Scudboy001 wrote: I'm starting to notice a trend on the car ads. People show pictures of cars with great wheels, steering wheels, shifter locks, cargo racks, or whatever. Then in the ad it reads "Oh all that killer shit you see, well it doesn't actually come with the car - Sorry." BUT they still want a premium price. Just an observation. I noticed that by my 3rd post too, I think most do. Just another selling tactic is all. Anoying on the buyers end, good or bad on the sellers end. The car dealerships should do it, "sorry but those arent really the wheels that come with it." :lol:

Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:48 pm

jmsmilin wrote: Scudboy001 wrote: I'm starting to notice a trend on the car ads. People show pictures of cars with great wheels, steering wheels, shifter locks, cargo racks, or whatever. Then in the ad it reads "Oh all that killer shit you see, well it doesn't actually come with the car - Sorry." BUT they still want a premium price. Just an observation. I noticed that by my 3rd post too, I think most do. Just another selling tactic is all. Anoying on the buyers end, good or bad on the sellers end. The car dealerships should do it, "sorry but those arent really the wheels that come with it." :lol:

Dealers do.

Haven't you ever noticed the fine print at the bottom of a print ad or television commericial?

The advertised price may be 17,000, but at the bottom it says---with options shown, 25,000

Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:31 am

I walk past a Dodge dealer every morning going to work. One car had a price tag on it, underneath in smaller print it said "wheels not included". I wonder if they will supply you with some bricks to set the car on if you bought it.

Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:09 am

I guess this subject should really be in one of the whines threads, but this ad is my favorite along these lines.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=648367

You don't get the accesories..... OR the fenders, doors, steering wheel, engine, or semaphores. :lol:

Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:19 am

At a show/swap meet awhile ago, I was talking to a guy who had just sold a beetle...and it had some original goodies that belonged to the car...owners manual, dealer locations book, and several other items that had been with that car since 58...and he didnt give them to the new owner. I personally felt that was kinda crappy that he didnt keep the stuff in the car...it had only been there since 1958. That is a large deduction off of his VW mojo points.

JGW

Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:36 am

anthracitedub wrote: At a show/swap meet awhile ago, I was talking to a guy who had just sold a beetle...and it had some original goodies that belonged to the car...owners manual, dealer locations book, and several other items that had been with that car since 58...and he didnt give them to the new owner. I personally felt that was kinda crappy that he didnt keep the stuff in the car...it had only been there since 1958. That is a large deduction off of his VW mojo points.

JGW

Original stuff like that should stay WITH the car. Its part of the car and its history. Now on the flip side new/ n.o.s accessories or wheels or really anything that wasn't with the car from new or its original owners, I can see the seller keeping. They may want that stuff for their next car. I guess theres a fine line as to where its original history starts/ends and its new history begins.

My cars original history began when it was built in 1965 and it ends in 1970 when it was parked. All of its original stuff stayed with it. I got it in 2006 after it being parked all that time and its new history began. All the stuff I put on it I would keep if I were ever stupid enough to sell it.

Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:03 pm

Yeah, I could see keeping some of the things that you have collected...but this guy kept all of the paper work that should have stayed.
When I was younger I sold one of my bugs and kept my brand new carb and scat shifter...I didnt feel that was a bad move. I put a good carb on it and a nice freshly cleaned/painted stock shifter.

JGW.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:26 am

I feel that if its not included then take it off before you try to sell it.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:40 am

It's no different then buying a house. Many people want to see the house full of furniture to get an idea of what they are getting. I want to look at an empty house so I know what I am getting.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:16 pm

kingd33 wrote: I feel that if its not included then take it off before you try to sell it.

thats right.
im looking to buy another bug for my daughter right now and have noticed this.
one was around 14 grand and the guy is going to keep the steering wheel and shifter.
thats cool but it doesnt have a real big motor or anything,er more like a rant.
but yeah picture it as you want to sell it,it would help some.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:39 pm

Or, have you noticed the trend to photo shop your car into what it WOULD look like if was restored or customized. Just picture your own damn car as it sits! I am not buying your thoughts, just show me what you are selling. Its a drag looking at ads, seeing the pictures, only to read two pages later, that the car pictured is only a rendering.

Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:00 pm

I always like when the first 3 pics are of other peoples cars, and then there are 2 crappy pics of the actual car, and it says, the first pics are just an example of what it could look like........

Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:24 pm

metric autohaus wrote: I always like when the first 3 pics are of other peoples cars, and then there are 2 crappy pics of the actual car, and it says, the first pics are just an example of what it could look like........

You're joking right? :shock: What kind of a-hole posts pictures of other people's cars in a 'for sale' ad?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:45 pm

metric autohaus wrote: I always like when the first 3 pics are of other peoples cars, and then there are 2 crappy pics of the actual car, and it says, the first pics are just an example of what it could look like........

Those type of ads are a huge disservice to those who are looking at the ads to buy. Is this against the rules for posting ads?

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:14 pm

Ann Mezger wrote: metric autohaus wrote: I always like when the first 3 pics are of other peoples cars, and then there are 2 crappy pics of the actual car, and it says, the first pics are just an example of what it could look like........

You're joking right? :shock: What kind of a-hole posts pictures of other people's cars in a 'for sale' ad?

Ann, Look at ad # 645327 under TypeI 58-67...this is the first one of many that come to mind right here on The Samba. The POS that he owns, pictured small on the right, really is only marginally worse than the POS that he has rendered as his opening photo. Its this kind of crap that just turns people off. Three people I know that were looking for chops were turned off after reading the ad....never to call the guy. He's is own worst enemy but probably has no clue.

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:40 pm

oibovveroi wrote: kingd33 wrote: I feel that if its not included then take it off before you try to sell it.

thats right.
im looking to buy another bug for my daughter right now and have noticed this.
one was around 14 grand and the guy is going to keep the steering wheel and shifter.
thats cool but it doesnt have a real big motor or anything,er more like a rant.
but yeah picture it as you want to sell it,it would help some.

Ok, but if you had been serious, and if you had shown up with $14,000 and said "here, I'll buy the car, but the wheel and shifter are coming with it or no deal" what do you think would have happened? I bet you would have bought the car with the wheel and shifter.

What's the difference between a seller doing this, and a buyer, knowing the car is priced at $14,000 offering $11,000? Should the seller have priced the car at $16,000 and included accessories that half the potential buyers wouldn't care about? Even if he knew the higher price would turn off a lot of potential buyers?

I'm not defending the practice, but my point is that EVERYTHING is negoiatable--price, accessories, whatever, and if you have a serious buyer and a motivated seller the two parties will get together on a deal. If you're not serious then who cares what you think about a guy's ad?

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:06 am

wheel607 wrote: Ann Mezger wrote: metric autohaus wrote: I always like when the first 3 pics are of other peoples cars, and then there are 2 crappy pics of the actual car, and it says, the first pics are just an example of what it could look like........

You're joking right? :shock: What kind of a-hole posts pictures of other people's cars in a 'for sale' ad?

Ann, Look at ad # 645327 under TypeI 58-67...this is the first one of many that come to mind right here on The Samba. The POS that he owns, pictured small on the right, really is only marginally worse than the POS that he has rendered as his opening photo. Its this kind of crap that just turns people off. Three people I know that were looking for chops were turned off after reading the ad....never to call the guy. He's is own worst enemy but probably has no clue.

Holy crap. :shock: I missed that one.
Wait, I don't understand the price. Does he expect you to give him $2900, or is that what you get as compensation for the trauma caused by inheriting that disaster?

And I do agree with coad. I don't really have a problem with people expecting to keep accessories that they put in a good hunt for, or something like a Berg shifter... as long as they point out clearly what they want to keep/sell and the asking price in the ad. Then there's a clear starting point for the negotiation.

But it's just plain silly to put a ridiculously low price on a car to get people to look at your ad, then explain that half the body panels, original steering wheel, etc. don't come with the car. Anything that makes people roll their eyes is not helping you sell the car. And if the seller doesn't disclose what they expect to keep upfront, then trys to wiggle it into the negotiation once you've already gone to look at the car... I have a bit of a problem with that too. Unless otherwise discussed, I expect everything in the pictures at the asking price to be the deal offered.

Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:06 am

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=645327

I've seen that add. It looks like a wreck now but I think with a little work it could look like a really nice 70's VW gasser.

Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:12 pm

coad wrote: oibovveroi wrote: kingd33 wrote: I feel that if its not included then take it off before you try to sell it.

thats right.
im looking to buy another bug for my daughter right now and have noticed this.
one was around 14 grand and the guy is going to keep the steering wheel and shifter.
thats cool but it doesnt have a real big motor or anything,er more like a rant.
but yeah picture it as you want to sell it,it would help some.

Ok, but if you had been serious, and if you had shown up with $14,000 and said "here, I'll buy the car, but the wheel and shifter are coming with it or no deal" what do you think would have happened? I bet you would have bought the car with the wheel and shifter.

What's the difference between a seller doing this, and a buyer, knowing the car is priced at $14,000 offering $11,000? Should the seller have priced the car at $16,000 and included accessories that half the potential buyers wouldn't care about? Even if he knew the higher price would turn off a lot of potential buyers?

I'm not defending the practice, but my point is that EVERYTHING is negoiatable--price, accessories, whatever, and if you have a serious buyer and a motivated seller the two parties will get together on a deal. If you're not serious then who cares what you think about a guy's ad?
I do see your point.
But like i said,i will not bother because if i go look at a 14,000. dollar bug im not going to offer 11,000. because it didnt have this or that.
14 grand is alot of money for a good clean stock bug with no disk brakes and a 1600dp etc..
just a good clean stock car i know 14,000.is darn good for that bug and should come as pictured and owner(seller) still walk away on top.
and yes,i am a serious buyer but im not going to waste my time on a what if.
what if he took a picture "as is"
and not minus this or that.
so what i am saying is i am one of many who get turned off on this sort of thing and will just turn away because i dont want to bother with this sort of thing.
i dont haggle!
if i like it and its worth it,i will buy it ,im not much with the bait and switch.
when i bought my work truck,i shop and found what i wanted and went in and paid up and drove home.
i did the same with every bug ive had.
i know the seller is making something off on top because he did the work and he should make something for his time.
if i only want to spend 5 or 6 grand i can buy a shell and build it myself.
so...
simple,take a picture of it as is and threads like this would not take up and waste bandwidth.