TheSamba.com :: View topic - This sucks. I need help! Paint mixed differently.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:53 pm

Well…I have been sitting here for about an hour searching every way I can think but didn’t find a solution to my dilemma…sooooo, here I am.

Here’s the short version of a long story: Had my bug painted (body off, totally disassembled) L346 Jade Green. PPC DCC Concept single stage.

The body was painted first and I took it home. Then the fenders, doors, etc, etc, were painted a few days later. The guy who did the painting told me that he’d “mixed a little clear” in with the paint when he shot the doors, fenders and such. But he did NOT do this when he shot the body.

When I put the doors, fenders and such on, the color seems to be ever so slightly “brighter” than the body. Not drastic, but noticeable if you look close.

So…now that you are armed with the above information, here’s my question:

If I sand the body (really only need to do outside) and spray with clear coat, would that possibly “brighten up” the color so that it will better match the other parts?

Thank you

Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:05 pm

It might but I am trying to understand why he mixed it differently in the first place. I would either have him repaint the whole body or the other parts so that it all matches. He fucked it up so it should be up to him to make it right.
Beautiful color by the way.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:20 pm

Lightly buff it and clear coat the body -- Not a problem if your paint system includes a clear coat option.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:25 pm

show us a picture of the doors/fenders next to the body ! as shiny as your car is , I dont understand what difference the clear will make , did they guy have any paint leftover ? did you ask him why he did such a thing , was he high on crack ? or paint fumes ?

Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:35 pm

spotfreerynse wrote: show us a picture of the doors/fenders next to the body ! as shiny as your car is , I dont understand what difference the clear will make , did they guy have any paint leftover ? did you ask him why he did such a thing , was he high on crack ? or paint fumes ?

I'm not sure it would show in a photo but I will try tonight.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:14 pm

Lidpainter wrote: It might but I am trying to understand why he mixed it differently in the first place. I would either have him repaint the whole body or the other parts so that it all matches. He fucked it up so it should be up to him to make it right.
Beautiful color by the way.
I agree, if he took it upon himself to change the formula knowing that there were more pieces to paint for the same car he should make it right at no additional cost.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:49 pm

Okay, here is a pic. I took several and this seems to be the best one.
Hope you can see what I see. It's subtle but it's there.

So my options are:
1.Clear coat the body and hope it works.
2.Sand and repaint the body with clear coat mixed in.
3.Sand and repaint the other parts without the clear coat mixed in.
4.Buy two other shades of green and go camo. :wink:

Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:56 pm

It is true. With the bolt on parts painted with clear in the mix, the appearance against the non-cleared body will never look the same. You will have to have him clear the body...on his dime!

To be real sure - I would have him shoot the body with the same mix as the bolt ons (paint with clear) . He needed to stay consistant..
He could correct that in 4 hours.

Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:48 pm

Your painter is a fucktard..... My shoe would be right up his ass in short order......That is a cardinal sin right there changing a process or mix in mid stream......

Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:37 am

duginabug wrote:
So my options are:
1.Clear coat the body and hope it works.
2.Sand and repaint the body with clear coat mixed in.
3.Sand and repaint the other parts without the clear coat mixed in.
4.Buy two other shades of green and go camo. :wink:

It looks like your options don't include making the painter fix it, so I'd think that trying a clear coat on the body first would make sense, like dlxcouple said. Although, the camo would be original.

Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:04 am

duginabug wrote: Okay, here is a pic. I took several and this seems to be the best one.
Hope you can see what I see. It's subtle but it's there.

IMO it sure looks like a lot of peel on the deck lid. I would be more concerned about that.

Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:58 am

JinxedSydney wrote: duginabug wrote:
So my options are:
1.Clear coat the body and hope it works.
2.Sand and repaint the body with clear coat mixed in.
3.Sand and repaint the other parts without the clear coat mixed in.
4.Buy two other shades of green and go camo. :wink:

It looks like your options don't include making the painter fix it, so I'd think that trying a clear coat on the body first would make sense, like dlxcouple said. Although, the camo would be original.

I agree. That should have been option 1.
The suggestion with the foot up his hind orifice should be #2 - then the rest.

I do like the color, though. That'll look great when he gets it straightened out.

Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:26 am

Hophead wrote: Your painter is a fucktard..... My shoe would be right up his ass in short order......That is a cardinal sin right there changing a process or mix in mid stream......
x2
take the body back and get him to fix it.

Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:01 am

well the reason he mixed the clear in with the color is becuz he probably didnt have enuff color . what a big mistake .its his screw up ..he should fix it without charging you .... if the paint is mixed properly at the store ...why dont he jus paint the loose parts over...without the clear in it.when i paint my 66...im going DBC BASE AND 2042 CLEAR ..THEN BUFF THE HELL OUTTA OF IT..when i paint it i will paint all the parts and body at the same time .. well like i said ...he messed up so he should fix it without u paying a dime...btw ...love the color...and good luck

Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:11 am

Paul D wrote: duginabug wrote: Okay, here is a pic. I took several and this seems to be the best one.
Hope you can see what I see. It's subtle but it's there.

IMO it sure looks like a lot of peel on the deck lid. I would be more concerned about that. #-o ](*,) :roll:

Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:44 pm

66buggie wrote: well the reason he mixed the clear in with the color is becuz he probably didnt have enuff color . what a big mistake .its his screw up ..he should fix it without charging you .... if the paint is mixed properly at the store ...why dont he jus paint the loose parts over...without the clear in it.when i paint my 66...im going DBC BASE AND 2042 CLEAR ..THEN BUFF THE HELL OUTTA OF IT..when i paint it i will paint all the parts and body at the same time .. well like i said ...he messed up so he should fix it without u paying a dime...btw ...love the color...and good luck

I also agree he is a fucktard too. There would be NO good reason to vary from the original formula. He could have mixed more with the same formula. This is why you should paint everything at the same time. Especially with a color like that.

Steve

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:19 pm

Sometimes when using single stage Concept, you would add a little clear in your last coat or two.This makes it easier to wet sand and buff later. It also makes the colors "pop" a little more by slightly altering the pigment. Adding two or three coats of clear may help.Or a have him add a couple of coats of color/clear mixed at the same ratio. Good luck.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:36 pm

then why didnt he add the clear to the paint when he painted the body... it doesnt make sense at all...in my opinion its becuz he didnt have enuf color to paint the loose parts so he added the clear to make it stretch ....

Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:14 pm

If you don't mind, just curious, what did you pay for all that work? Price does make a difference in the outcome.

It'll probably bother you to no end if it isn't fixed, but once all together with the fender beading, door seals, chrome, etc. It might not be as noticable.

My first VW was painted by someone other than me and they for some reason used base/clear for part and single stage for others. On mine it wasn't noticable until I had to buff out the dulling paint. the buff pad turned the color of the car on the single stage areas.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:15 pm

I'm simply stating that there are on occasion,situations when you could add clear to single stage urethane and that it is common practice.Duginabug was asking for advise or ideas that would help remedy the color difference. I never said I knew why the refinisher did what he did.