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Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:02 pm

ok,i got myself a powdercoat gun to do my tin etc.
and that all will be fine but i want to re-powdercoat my roofracks faulty powdercoat.(thanks cip1!...not)
anyways,this thing will obviously not fit an oven,what else can i do to activate the powder?

Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:45 pm

Infra red lamps......ain't cheap. Eastwood sells various sized ovens. I just gotta ask. Why did you not have this figured out ahead of time?

Cip 1 SELLS roof racks, THEY DO NOT powder coat them. Have even botherd to contact them or just bag on them here?

Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:38 am

Hophead wrote: Infra red lamps......ain't cheap. Eastwood sells various sized ovens. I just gotta ask. Why did you not have this figured out ahead of time?

Cip 1 SELLS roof racks, THEY DO NOT powder coat them. Have even botherd to contact them or just bag on them here?

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oibovveroi wrote: El Cookie Monster wrote: how about a flat 4 rack is that any good
STAY AWAY!
i got the flat-4 roofrack from cip1 and its a total piece of crap.
the wood warp in a month,and also got rust.
i emailed cip1 and they blew me off on this thing,i think a few other people had the same problem as i did because cip1 will NOT answer emails about this.
i can email pictures of it if you like.
i wish i would have got an og one and just re-did it myself that way i would have had a nice one,now i am going to have to re-do a worthless aftermarket.
and the whole reason i bought it was so i wouldnt have to rebuild one.
it's what i get for being lazy.

Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:50 am

Hophead wrote: Infra red lamps......ain't cheap. Eastwood sells various sized ovens. I just gotta ask. Why did you not have this figured out ahead of time?

Cip 1 SELLS roof racks, THEY DO NOT powder coat them. Have even botherd to contact them or just bag on them here?

did i wrong you at some point?
do you know you came off like a real jerk?
i just gotta ask,do you always treat people like this?

i have not found anyone in my area who does this type of work,all,and i mean all the body shops around here only do collision repair.
and this is a hobby so forgive me if i am learning as i go.

and yes,i emailed cip1.
several times.
with pictures.

but thanks for the tip on the lamps,i think i will go with that.

Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:32 pm

No you have not wronged me.....

I ask a few questions that rubbed you the wrong way. On these forums people will always have anwsers you don't like.

It is nothing to take personally.

I asked if you had contacted them because I find alot of the time people come on this site griping about a product yet never contact the company/person they bought it from for resolution. You did drop their name with a scarcastic thank you. Does that make you a jerk?

As far as coming off like a jerk..... boo hoo, you really hurt my feelings :lol: I am alot nicer then some of the folks on this site.

I would try to thicken your skin up a little or you will have trouble with any online forum.....don't let every little thing upset you that you read. :roll:

Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:46 am

If you post your location (add it to your profile?), someone may be able to help you find a local powder-coater.

I think there are powder-coating places everywhere?

Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:20 pm

oibovveroi wrote: Hophead wrote: Infra red lamps......ain't cheap. Eastwood sells various sized ovens. I just gotta ask. Why did you not have this figured out ahead of time?

Cip 1 SELLS roof racks, THEY DO NOT powder coat them. Have even botherd to contact them or just bag on them here?

did i wrong you at some point?
do you know you came off like a real jerk?
i just gotta ask,do you always treat people like this?

i have not found anyone in my area who does this type of work,all,and i mean all the body shops around here only do collision repair.
and this is a hobby so forgive me if i am learning as i go.

and yes,i emailed cip1.
several times.
with pictures.

but thanks for the tip on the lamps,i think i will go with that.

Now is as good a time as any, you can't survive in this forum with thin skin. I learned that lesson early on from a old timer frequent poster who went after me! I pm'd him, he told me what I just told you and I moved on. There are very few real issues between members but there are many responses made everyday that can easily be taken in the wrong way by a sensitive person.

Powdercoat baking? I've never done it but if you have an old oven lying around with good temperature control I've heard of people using one with good results. Don't uses your wife's in the kitchen unless you are in the midst of or looking for a divorce!

Trash week is often a great time to find an old stove/oven for such purposes, people upgrade all the time and throw perfect functioning units away because they have too much money! Dye your hair or remodel the kitchen? What should I do this week???

Dave

Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:59 am

To answer your original question, if your parts are too long/big to fit in an oven, then you can either buy the expensive IR stands Eastwood sells, or use 1 of those cheap outdoor propane spot heaters that screws into the top of a propane bottle, & keep moving the unit & or the part until it is all done. This is very slow & it is easy to mess up the finish by accidently touching it. If you are only going to do a few parts, it might not be worth it. I specialize in engine tin, so I can do that no problem. I assume the roof rack comes apart,,, how big, how long? My oven is not huge, but I might be able to do it for you. you can check out www.awesomepowdercoat.com & PM or email if you are interested.

Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:57 am

volkaholic1 wrote: To answer your original question, if your parts are too long/big to fit in an oven, then you can either buy the expensive IR stands Eastwood sells, or use 1 of those cheap outdoor propane spot heaters that screws into the top of a propane bottle, & keep moving the unit & or the part until it is all done. This is very slow & it is easy to mess up the finish by accidently touching it. If you are only going to do a few parts, it might not be worth it. I specialize in engine tin, so I can do that no problem. I assume the roof rack comes apart,,, how big, how long? My oven is not huge, but I might be able to do it for you. you can check out www.awesomepowdercoat.com & PM or email if you are interested.
thanks.
i have an oven for the small parts.
but the roofrack is too large,i have already done some t-bar and maybe it was a first time luck thing but they came out well.
i might try the propane.
right now im going to do some blinker covers and i have to sandblast and por-20 my intake and ends.
thanks for the help.

Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:45 pm

OP - where are you located?

Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:52 am

I havent tried this. But it is an idea I had for my bumpers. I am thinking of building a long plywood bow and lining the inside with tin foil. Then just duct a heat source into it to raise the temperature. A dial thermometer will help you keep an eye on it so it doesnt get to the magic 455 degrees where paper and wood combusts. I think the powder coating will fuse at a temperature under 450 degrees. . . I am not sure the magic number but would look into it before doing this. This may sound like an aweful lot of work but I have four bumpers to do and I think another friend of mine may want his done. For a roof rack, you will need a much bigger box: not sure if it would be worth the buildup for one rack. . .might be cheaper to pay to have it done.

Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:07 am

it might be cheaper to send it,it might not.
i couldnt find anyone around here near where i live(central alabama)who does this type of work.
so i got myself a setup and i have a shop,so i decided to do it myself.
its not that hard to do.
well it would be fine for all my small parts,but the big stuff like your bumpers and my rack is a little trouble.
i think i will build something like a standup shower stall and line it with fire proof backerboard.
and thick foil with a thermostat and can hang whatever on hooks and use either the propane...i think i will go this way.
or the lamps.

part of the fun is to do it yourself,and to learn new things.
thanks for all the help!

Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:48 am

My buddy found and I found an old ice chest cooler, you know like the ones in front of the convenience stores. Well, we stripped several old ovens of their heating elements fom the good will store and hooked up the thermostats and poof! Instant big oven! I imagine you could use the bulbs as well, but the oven elements worked like a charm. It's a lot of area to warm up. Beware, keep the unit outside your garage. The first few bakes make it smoke like crazy and you'll think the whole thing is going to burn up, some plastic seals will fail, but the metal box will stay together and serve you well.

Happy Baking.

Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:50 am

I know I've read on here somewhere about people getting an old bbq and using the internals to heat of a box that they fabbed up that would fit their large parts, I'm sure you could probably google it, and find out how they do it.

Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:07 am

http://forum.caswellplating.com/oven-building-forum/

Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:29 pm

66uno wrote: I havent tried this. But it is an idea I had for my bumpers. I am thinking of building a long plywood bow and lining the inside with tin foil. Then just duct a heat source into it to raise the temperature. A dial thermometer will help you keep an eye on it so it doesnt get to the magic 455 degrees where paper and wood combusts. I think the powder coating will fuse at a temperature under 450 degrees. . . I am not sure the magic number but would look into it before doing this. This may sound like an aweful lot of work but I have four bumpers to do and I think another friend of mine may want his done. For a roof rack, you will need a much bigger box: not sure if it would be worth the buildup for one rack. . .might be cheaper to pay to have it done.

What temp does the glue that hold that plywood together fail at?

You might want to find that out first.

Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:34 pm

ratspud wrote: My buddy found and I found an old ice chest cooler, you know like the ones in front of the convenience stores. Well, we stripped several old ovens of their heating elements fom the good will store and hooked up the thermostats and poof! Instant big oven! I imagine you could use the bulbs as well, but the oven elements worked like a charm. It's a lot of area to warm up. Beware, keep the unit outside your garage. The first few bakes make it smoke like crazy and you'll think the whole thing is going to burn up, some plastic seals will fail, but the metal box will stay together and serve you well.

Happy Baking.

What temp does the insulation inside the panels melt/catch fire......

Powder paint needs about 400 f to melt.

Watching the redneck oven catch fire and burn to the ground would be fun though.....

How about BUYING an oven designed for large size items...... Everyone on this thread wants to jury rig crap together..... I used to powder coat for a living.... try doing it the right way.....

Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:30 am

reasley wrote: http://forum.caswellplating.com/oven-building-forum/
thanks!
that helps.

Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:23 pm

I don't know what temp. it is when all the insulation catches fire, and absolute failure takes place, but like I said it smoked like hell the first few runs, but it is still in working order and still serves it's purpose. It's not used daily, but whatever, it worked good for what we needed it for. Maybe we can send it to mythbusters and really put it through the tests. :roll:

Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:26 pm

Make friends with your local pizzeria.