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Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:03 am

So its finally happened.
I always had a feeling that the much advertised and poorly accepted "VISTA" platform was just passing through much as Windows ME did not so long ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/10/28/microsoft.windows.ap/index.html

So Microsoft is test marketing WINDOWS 7. I never upgraded from XP thinking with all of the glitches of running VISTA on older machines that it would not stick around, they needed to do something. I wonder if this is "it"?

Any guinea pigs on Samba jumping on board to help test the next Generation of Windows?

Dave

Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:29 am

SO, with this piece of information out, WHO is going to purchase Windows VISTA now? Microsoft may have shot themselves in the proverbial marketing foot. I recently noticed that XP is still on the shelves of some stores (at one point it was exclusively VISTA, did they re-issue XP?) so if anyone really NEEDED an new platform I would think that is the way to go and upgrade later to WIN 7 if it shows itself to be good, if not, you've got XP loaded and it is a proven platfom to use until they get it right.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:21 am

Microsoft probably knew that, at this point, Vista is a PR bust: too much negative press and user reviews to overcome, so why not get the next version prepped for press conferences and release?

the last time XP crashed on me and a HDD failed, I stepped off the MS party train and bought an Apple Mac mini -- and haven't looked back... I've watched the Vista debacle from beginning to end, listened to the users of Vista at work bitch and moan, while OSX runs day in and day out without any glitches or any other usual headaches...

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:23 am

I have heard Windows 7 is a repackage of VISTA. :roll:

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:25 am

DeathBus wrote: I have heard Windows 7 is a repackage of VISTA. :roll:

which wouldn't surprise me, given MS's prior history of cleaning up apps and re-selling them under a 'NEW' banner on the box...

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:55 am

DeathBus wrote: I have heard Windows 7 is a repackage of VISTA. :roll:

If it is, we will know about it even before Windows 7 is released to OEMs. Reviews come fast and furious from beta versions and they shape the market opinions even before the product is released.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:53 am

I've been running Vista for months with no problems.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:54 am

_monkey_ wrote: I've been running Vista for months with no problems.

Your PC has been turned on, right?

Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:31 am

_monkey_ wrote: I've been running Vista for months with no problems.

what problems were you expecting?

Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:31 am

I don't do Windows.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:55 am

I'm waiting for my bonus check to go buy a Mac; I'm really tired of Microsoft and the b.s. that goes with it.

Rio

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:05 am

71Super4Rio wrote: I'm waiting for my bonus check to go buy a Mac; I'm really tired of Microsoft and the b.s. that goes with it.

Rio

X2. I'm going Mac in '09.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 am

DeathBus wrote: I have heard Windows 7 is a repackage of VISTA. :roll:

It probably is.
They wouldn't re-invent the wheel for a next version. The shell (i.e. the stuff you see) looks different but the the underlying code is the same old crap with the same old problems.

What kills me is that these OSes and apps just keep getting more and more bloated:
You need a screamer of a PC to get them to run half way decently to do - what? - something as technically mindnumbing as surf for porn and copy the purty pictures to your hard drive and look at them when nobody is looking.
I could do that with windows nt.

That they decided that you couldn't run 16 bit code under Win2K anymore is one thing - but now you can't reliably run XP apps under Vista. That is by design: they inherently lock you into buying strictly from them, over and over again.

It isn't Microsoft's aim to develop any innovative and elegant stuff - just to fill their pockets with money.

If you're thinking of getting into any of the new Microsoft stuff, you're likely going to have to buy new applications that previously may have worked.
As such, it might be a good idea to think about switching to a Mac or Linux.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:32 am

That about sums it up!! I got the new MacBook and I can't believe I put up with PC bullsh*t for so long!!

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:47 am

Windows 7 isn't Vista, but it promises to be yet another rush to market forget the beta testing product.

I am confident that this has to do with the blow back from large institutions who are not buying new computers unless they have XP. Many universities, and corporations are in a quandary.

I have a Dell server, in a box, with no platform loaded, and I still can't decided what to do. Now, if only Linux had a windows XP emulator like Mac does (or did) then I'd be rolling.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:53 am

The Sage wrote: Windows 7 isn't Vista, but it promises to be yet another rush to market forget the beta testing product.

I am confident that this has to do with the blow back from large institutions who are not buying new computers unless they have XP. Many universities, and corporations are in a quandary.

I have a Dell server, in a box, with no platform loaded, and I still can't decided what to do. Now, if only Linux had a windows XP emulator like Mac does (or did) then I'd be rolling.

I'd like to go to Vista, but none of my applications have been certified to run on it. It usually takes a few years for Vendors to get new software certified with the FDA. NT to 2k and 2k to XP were the same.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:57 am

They have a Windows Emulator. And a DOS emulator. Search for "Wine" and for "DOSemu".

But why do you want an emulator. Open Office will deal with any MS Office files. It can also read and generate PDF's.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:15 am

blankmange wrote: DeathBus wrote: I have heard Windows 7 is a repackage of VISTA. :roll:

which wouldn't surprise me, given MS's prior history of cleaning up apps and re-selling them under a 'NEW' banner on the box...

Quote: Silver, the analyst, noted that Windows Vista rejigged complex aspects of the software's plumbing, while Windows 7 is largely a cosmetic overhaul. That might spare this launch from many of the compatibility programs that dogged Vista.

However, other sources say that Windows 7 is a fairly comprehensive remake of the basic operating system which was in parallel development with Vista but intended for later release. Of course, the poor adoption of Vista by business users might prompt M$ to simply rename "Vista SP2" as "Windows 7" because that is the name that IT people are waiting for.

M$'s numbers for Vista sales are inflated because they count all the computers shipped to large scale business users even if Vista is immediately removed and XP installed by the end users.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:27 am

Russ Wolfe wrote: They have a Windows Emulator. And a DOS emulator. Search for "Wine" and for "DOSemu".

But why do you want an emulator. Open Office will deal with any MS Office files. It can also read and generate PDF's.

Because I have 3 programs that are fundamental to my business that require a Windows 2k or XP platform. Quickbooks is the biggie.

Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:42 am

Icy wrote: 71Super4Rio wrote: I'm waiting for my bonus check to go buy a Mac; I'm really tired of Microsoft and the b.s. that goes with it.

Rio

X2. I'm going Mac in '09.
Leave politics out of this. :wink: