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Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:03 am

Remember remember
The 5th of November,
Gunpowder treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

As America looks toward a new President
We in England celebrate a terrorist
On the 5th November 1605 Guy Fawkes was caught in the cellars of the Houses of Parliament with several dozen barrels of gunpowder. Guy Fawkes was subsequently tried as a traitor with his co-conspirators for plotting against the government.
Fawkes was sentenced to death and the form of the execution was one of the most horrendous ever practised (hung ,drawn and quartered) which reflected the serious nature of the crime of treason.

In England the 5th of November is still commemorated each year with fireworks and bonfires culminating with the burning of effigies of Guy Fawkes (the guy).

Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:06 am

Now you've done it. I wanna watch V for Vendetta ;)

I so love Guy Fawkes...

Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:25 am

Some parts of the USA still celebrate the 5th to this day

for the past 11 years in the community of Westerly in the state of Rhode Island including the Revolutionary Field Days at various locations including Camden, South Carolina.

George Washington forbad the celebration of the day among his troops due to its anti-Catholic and pro-British purpose.

Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:29 am

kevtherev wrote: Some parts of the USA still celebrate the 5th to this day

for the past 11 years in the community of Westerly in the state of Rhode Island including the Revolutionary Field Days at various locations including Camden, South Carolina.

George Washington forbad the celebration of the day among his troops due to its anti-Catholic and pro-British purpose.
Interesting, I had no idea. I figured it was more of a UK thing.
I know my mom always talked about it when I was growing up - The Scottish are like that ;)

Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:58 pm

thats the way to effect change if you don't like the government blow em all to hell!! :twisted:

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:10 pm

July 4th......................we celebrate our own treason. :wink:

Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:20 pm

TheLimey wrote: thats the way to effect change if you don't like the government blow em all to hell!! :twisted:
We call it the 2nd Amendment here in the USA.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:15 am

kevtherev wrote: ...the form of the execution was one of the most horrendous ever practised (hung ,drawn and quartered) which reflected the serious nature of the crime of treason.

Let me elaborate a little:
Hung...just lightly hung...no, not enough to terminate, just a little eye popping choke.
Drawn...the belly is slit deftly with a long knife and your intestines and other sundry bits and pieces are arrayed for you to see.
Quartered...finally your head is lopped off and the rest hacked into quarters.

It might sound barbaric to you but I'd like to stand up and defend, what was until 1790, one of our most popular spectator sports. :D

Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:48 am

SquareTone wrote: TheLimey wrote: thats the way to effect change if you don't like the government blow em all to hell!! :twisted:
We call it the 2nd Amendment here in the USA. And you better go buy what you can, while you can.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:53 am

John Moxon wrote: kevtherev wrote: ...the form of the execution was one of the most horrendous ever practised (hung ,drawn and quartered) which reflected the serious nature of the crime of treason.

Let me elaborate a little:
Hung...just lightly hung...no, not enough to terminate, just a little eye popping choke.
Drawn...the belly is slit deftly with a long knife and your intestines and other sundry bits and pieces are arrayed for you to see.
Quartered...finally your head is lopped off and the rest hacked into quarters.

It might sound barbaric to you but I'd like to stand up and defend, what was until 1790, one of our most popular spectator sports. :D

I always thought quartered meant having a rope tied to each arm and leg and in turn, having the other ends of those ropes tied to horses that are sent running in 4 different directions.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:58 am

Lidpainter wrote: I always thought quartered meant having a rope tied to each arm and leg and in turn, having the other ends of those ropes tied to horses that are sent running in 4 different directions.

Ahhh...what it is to have a vivid imagination. :D

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:04 am

John Moxon wrote: Lidpainter wrote: I always thought quartered meant having a rope tied to each arm and leg and in turn, having the other ends of those ropes tied to horses that are sent running in 4 different directions.

Ahhh...what it is to have a vivid imagination. :D

That's what Mrs. Udey taught me in 3rd grade too. Now that I think about it, it does seem like a lot of work for not much result though.

Personally, I always admired the British custom of displaying the severed heads on metal pikes and letting the birds dine on the rotting flesh. Sends a message.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:25 am

coad wrote: Personally, I always admired the British custom of displaying the severed heads on metal pikes and letting the birds dine on the rotting flesh. Sends a message.

Yes you'll find William Wallace suffered this fate as well as being H,D&Q (as us enthusiast say :wink: ). His preserved head was displayed on a pike on London Bridge (not the Victorian one in AZ) for a number of years and his severed limbs toured the country...just so nobody missed out on all the fun.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:37 am

Ah gotta love those Brits, now their police barely even carry guns.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:51 am

DeathBus wrote: Ah gotta love those Brits, now their police barely even carry guns.

That's because when they do they shoot the innocent. :roll:

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:56 am

oh I forgot Britain doesnt have a bill of rights,

"knock knock, it's the pigs, we are coming in anyways!"

Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:14 am

Lidpainter wrote: John Moxon wrote: kevtherev wrote: ...the form of the execution was one of the most horrendous ever practised (hung ,drawn and quartered) which reflected the serious nature of the crime of treason.

Let me elaborate a little:
Hung...just lightly hung...no, not enough to terminate, just a little eye popping choke.
Drawn...the belly is slit deftly with a long knife and your intestines and other sundry bits and pieces are arrayed for you to see.
Quartered...finally your head is lopped off and the rest hacked into quarters.

It might sound barbaric to you but I'd like to stand up and defend, what was until 1790, one of our most popular spectator sports. :D

I always thought quartered meant having a rope tied to each arm and leg and in turn, having the other ends of those ropes tied to horses that are sent running in 4 different directions.
Would those be Quarter Horses?? :?

Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:23 am

iowegian wrote: Would those be Quarter Horses?? :?

OK let's straighten this out...no horses involved in Quartering...unless of course it was the horse who committed the act of treason...e.g. horse tramples on King of England...horse H,D&Q. :lol:

Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:25 am

I thought the horse was married to Prince Charles.

Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:34 am

Rick73Super wrote: I thought the horse was married to Prince Charles.

Do you realise, because most of us still regard the U.S. as a British colony, your comments about our future Queen are in fact an act of treason :shock:

...and we all know the punishment for treason. :lol: