TheSamba.com :: View topic - single tip -55 exhaust for 1600 engine?

Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:21 pm

Is there anyway to make a 55 and earlier exhaust fit a 1600 engine. I want it to look as stock as possible.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:35 pm

Try to adapt a bus muffler to work?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:04 pm

a 1600 is wider by about an inch or so the muffler will be too narrow without modifying it.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:38 pm

If you're looking for something that will be hidden out of the way, there's always what's called a "hideaway" muffler. The muffler tucks under your right rear fender, so all you can see is a little bit of the pipe coming out of the engine at the bottom. Not my car, but it looks like this:

Keep in mind this is a low angle picture. Looking at it from a normal angle you can see very little. It also has a nice tune to it and because it attaches to a performance header, there's no exhaust resistance in the engine. You can see it a little bit from the right rear wheel, but not enough that anybody would notice if it were to be high-heat painted to match. This is definitely the cheaper alternative.

If not, you could go sporty and get an "Abarth" style muffler. This is the type of muffler used on the Okrasa kits from the 50's, but they have modern ones designed for 1600cc engines available now.
It would look like this:

Note how it sits under the bottom of the apron. I can't attest to it's performance, but as for clearance issues under the apron, it should effectively deal with those. This one is quite pricey though.

These are probably the best options for dealing with a solid pre-55 apron and a later motor. They're both available aftermarket (I found them both on cip1) but they refer to the hideaway as a "hide out muffler" there.

Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:58 pm

I'm not looking for aftermarket. It has to be the stock single tip '55 and earlier exhaust.

Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:29 pm

eth727 wrote: I'm not looking for aftermarket. It has to be the stock single tip '55 and earlier exhaust.

Don't think that is going to work., Even if you modified a stock single tip muffler, I would think that the flow characteristics would be messed up on a 1600...

Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:53 pm

johnshenry wrote: eth727 wrote: I'm not looking for aftermarket. It has to be the stock single tip '55 and earlier exhaust.

Don't think that is going to work., Even if you modified a stock single tip muffler, I would think that the flow characteristics would be messed up on a 1600...

Thats correct John !!
A friend was driving a single tip on a 1300 denzel engine a few years ago,
now he changed it to a 4 tip , and the engine runs now 30% better !
Most people do not realize The Exhaust is one of the most importend parts on a engine for a good result !

Guido

Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:45 pm

tazm wrote: A friend was driving a single tip on a 1300 denzel engine a few years ago,
now he changed it to a 4 tip , and the engine runs now 30% better !
Most people do not realize The Exhaust is one of the most importend parts on a engine for a good result !

Guido
"30% better" in terms of... fuel efficiency? Power (and if so, measured how)?

Yes, exhaust selection is important but that's quite the claimed change in... something... :?

Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:59 pm

adapting a bus exhaust sounds like a good idea... Or modding an OG double tip exhaust, but you will probably lose power as said tazm...

Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:56 pm

How about doing the hideaway system but cutting an OG muffler in half length-wise and mounting it behind, like a veneer?

Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:18 pm

An amazing VW guy I know had a turbo 1776 that he got quiet (somehow) and had the exhaust running straight down, but flush with the bottom of the car in the passenger rear fender, so you couldnt see it at all. But, he welded pea shooters to the apron... Boy did that surprise a guy or two at the strip.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:20 pm

This is as good as it gets and exits in just about the correct spot too.
A stock muffler isn't going to cut it using the original apron. This one it pretty much out of sight except the tip. This is basically a single tip Monza.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C13%2D3487

Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:41 pm

Hey that's great maybe I can cut the tip and put a stock one instead.