TheSamba.com :: View topic - 120 horse power for under $1,500. can it be done. in a vw..

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:47 am

so i hae for the past few weeks been toying the idea of a new engine . more reliable than stock more efficent and cheep...... can it b done.. has anyone done it. and how.

some ideas:
EDIS with megajolt
cis from early rabbit.
engine????
modified t4 w cam
gm ecotec
vw in line 4
t 1 engine

Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:59 am

not likely

Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:08 am

Using new or rebuilt parts?

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Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:10 am

If you can find a screaming deal on a Subaru EJ22 (non-turbo), you might be able to pull it off. But that's a bif IF.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:25 am

It's easy to get 120 HP. My 1914cc motor is 128 HP to the wheels. You need to take your time & find the parts you need. I have a $600.00 long block. Most of my motor is used parts. A 1914cc with an engle 130, 94MM pistons, 40 X 35.5 heads with a small oval port, & a pair of 40 or 44 webers will put you right there. You don't need any special RACE parts. Call Roger @ Century Distributors. He has all the parts you need real cheep. 1-559-734-0430. The 1914cc in my manx ran 13.20's all day long for 20 something years.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:50 am

Do you have a web site for century? I've never been able to find one.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:11 am

manxracer1 wrote: It's easy to get 120 HP. My 1914cc motor is 128 HP to the wheels. You need to take your time & find the parts you need. I have a $600.00 long block. Most of my motor is used parts. A 1914cc with an engle 130, 94MM pistons, 40 X 35.5 heads with a small oval port, & a pair of 40 or 44 webers will put you right there. You don't need any special RACE parts. Call Roger @ Century Distributors. He has all the parts you need real cheep. 1-559-734-0430. The 1914cc in my manx ran 13.20's all day long for 20 something years.

Even with used parts....it will add up quick. $1500 is doubtful IMO. Especially when a set of used 44 IDF's cost $500 alone. But, if you get everything at good swap meet prices, I guess it could be done.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:13 am

I've never looked for one. You might call him and ask. He has 5 ACRES of shipping containers stacked 3 high full of parts new & used. He has a flyer he sends to the shop once in a while. I order from that.If I order by 3PM I get the package the next day. I'm only 7 hrs south of him though. He is right near CB Perf. in Visalia, Ca.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:19 am

People on crack spend $500 on a pair of used 44's. New set is only $600 & that's coming down too. You can turbo a 1600cc & get more than 120 HP to the wheels for almost nothing. Just labor & some know how. All the info you need is on this site !!

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:21 am

It's time for Glenn's
CHEAP-FAST-RELIABLE

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:31 am

used ecotec less than 40k 500.00
adaptor plate and flywheel 500.00
cis free i have a audi sitting here
mega jolt jr kit 80.00
edis components used 40.00
radiator used with brass
heads so i can solder the
in and out in diff location 30.00
misc
new fuel pump
filter
rad hose 350.00??

am i missing anything?

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:34 am

also maby a used t4 2.0
with a cam and ratio rockers cis and edis
but can i get 120 hp

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:36 am

IMHO, if I wanted an ecotec so badly for the 120 horses or whatever, I'd buy a cobalt or sunturd.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:41 am

13B rotary $300.00
Adapter from Kenedy $300.00
Rabbit radiator $100.00
Racing beat intake manifold $150.00
Single 44 weber NEW $150.00
Some exhaust, nuts bolts, 2 coils, & misc. $300.00
should be close to 180 HP or more. Get a turbo when you find a deal & go to over 300 HP on pump gas. Just blow threw the 44 weber.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:45 am

scroll down to "homemade turbo 1600cc" & read the post. Everyone is concerned with HP. It's the Torque that moves the car & there is no replacement for displacement.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:53 am

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MO Turbo Manx
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Location: St. Louis, MO

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VERY general cost breakdown:

Garrett T25 Turbo:
Used from Mitsubishi Eclipse off Ebay-$70
Carbon Seal Rebuild Kit-$106 delivered
Grainger Valve-$10
Total: $190

Holley 390 4 barrel:
Used from Ebay-$115 Didn't need a rebuild!
50cc pump kit-$50
Air filter assembly from Summit clearance sale-$25
Intake tubing from local muffler shop-$10
EMPI end castings new from Archway Imports-$40
Total: $240

Holley Red Fuel Pump:
Had from previous project (they're about $115 new?)

Exhaust:
Ding-and-dent special baja header from Mid-America Funfest-$10 That I cut up for bits, pieces and flanges.
Three 2.5" mandrel bends from local store: $35
Flanges for muffler-$10
Muffler is stainless Dynomax straight-through 2.5" from local ricer off Craigslist-$10
Total: $65

MSD and BTM:
MSD 6A new-in-box (!!) from local hot-rodder on Craigslist-$120
BTM used from Ebay-$50
Total: $170

Gauges:
Summit tach, new-$50
Boost and A/F, used from local Craigslist-$40
Denso O2 sensor-$25
Total: $120

Misc. hose, clamps, welding wire and such:
Total: $100?

I rounded-up all the totals.

Grand total: about $900

Some folks might find the MSD stuff unnecessary but I think it's a necessity that makes street driving AWESOME....hell, it's daily-driver reliable!
No MSD? Subtract $150
Then again, a new MSD from somewhere like Summit is well over $300 so shop around!!

If I think of anything else, I'll update it.
but that's it in a nutshell.

LOTS of trial-and-error labor and shopping around!
Gotta do-it-yourself!

140.9HP @ 5237RPM
158TQ @ 4555 RPM
13.2 @ 109.44MPH on the rollers

I drove it to the dyno and drove it home.
No fuss, no problems.
20 PSI boost and let's just say it was the hit of the day.

A local shop installed a Mustang chassis dyno and had their open house today.
I was the first car on the rollers this morning about 9:45AM.

I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself.
FAR beyond my expectations.....especially the torque and that 1/4 mile!

Here's some food for thought:
1. Figuring drivetrain losses: am I at 160HP and 170 TQ at the flywheel?
No wonder my Stage 1 Kennedy is begging for mercy!
2. How much HP does a stock 1600cc single port make? 53??
Think about that....I TRIPLED the stock HP with only single hi-rev springs, bolt-together rocker shafts, 1.25 rockers, swivel feet and...drum roll please....20 PSI boost!
Scary but WAY too much fun.

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:11 pm

rumplestilskin wrote: used ecotec less than 40k 500.00
adaptor plate and flywheel 500.00
cis free i have a audi sitting here
mega jolt jr kit 80.00
edis components used 40.00
radiator used with brass
heads so i can solder the
in and out in diff location 30.00
misc
new fuel pump
filter
rad hose 350.00??

am i missing anything?

You plan to put CIS onto an EcoTec? No, man...you're not missing anything at all...

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:22 pm

LOL! 20psi!!! That is awesome!!!! You must be very tense when the boost gets that high! Lol

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:22 pm

manxracer1 wrote: People on crack spend $500 on a pair of used 44's. New set is only $600 & that's coming down too. You can turbo a 1600cc & get more than 120 HP to the wheels for almost nothing. Just labor & some know how. All the info you need is on this site !!

It doesn't look they're getting much cheaper to me these days, at least not the good Webers (not the EMPI turdbricks).

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:30 pm

i would like to use the original stuff but it is cost restrictive $500 to program computer and wiring harness.

i researched it it will cost $500 for harness and computer and about $150 for components from junk yard $650 plus shipping
that's half of the budget

anyone got one laynig around