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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:52 am

Morning, everyone!

Question?
Will a FI setup for a 1.7 work on a 1.8? :?:

Thanks,
Johnny!
[email protected]

Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:37 pm

I don't believe so. IIRC all 1.8s sold in the us were L-Jet and all 1.7s were D-Jet. Different animals...

Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:55 pm

Yup. I have a D jet and parts are a nighmare as is the workings of the old mechanical (vacuum) type fuel injection. Check with Dave Darling at Pelican Parts. He does work and recalibrates pieces. 8)

Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:33 pm

I am sure it's not a black & white issue but why do the experts always recommend the L-jet & the D-jet is to be avoided? Others like the D-jet that came later & say it is a more refined system?

Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:35 pm

I think i got that all backwords : )

Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:41 pm

Yup. The D jet was in old Mercedes and when F. Porsche was drinking schapps with the head of VW to come up with a mid engine car to rub under Enzo Ferrari's nose, they grabbed the Type 4 VW engine and the fuel injection for Bosch used in Mercedes. The problem with the D type is that there are these vacuum regulators that wear out and are not made anymore or for decades. Like I said, Darling at Pelican has calibration stuff to set them but few others do so people usually go the dune buggy route and carburate them. I have carbs in my 356 replica and there are a lot more people that know how to set those up since they are a mainstay in dune buggies.....................

Right now my D is working but someday I know I will have to go the next step (I already went to pointless ignition) and move to carbs. Wait until the distributor acts up.............those are really tough to find since the 914 one is unique.

Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:04 pm

That brings up another question. Bugs seem to run well with carbs both single & duel. People used to say never to carb a 14. I imagine there are lots of problems that need to be engineered out like manifold icing & other drivability problems. What is the carb set-up that you may go with when the injection parts run out? Also, will you run into emissions check problems?

Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:15 pm

First, I have always flown under the wires in California with the exemption on older cars. 1974 cut off for smogging. My 1972 914 is exempt and my 2002 Vintage replica is exempt because it was put on a 1969 VW frame (that is the VIN). It was a bloody nightmare even getting my old 951 Turbo (1989) past smogging due to "NO" standards. So, I don't know your state, but check into "custom car" and "classic car" requirements. As to carburation, there are a lot of opinions. My experience has been that you are going to a shop and that shop has their own preferences. A good website on the topic is http://www.tunacan.net/t4/tech/intake.htm
I have the Webers on my 356 replica ICT40's but that is a type 1 VW and not a type 4 VW. The website talks about what has worked on the "VW Transporters". Weber makes a lot of kits but the change over is best done by someone that knows Type 4's. There are a lot of things to be plugged up.

Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:23 pm

One more thing. If you are a 914'er, get intimate with www.pelicanparts.com. They have not only most parts you will need, they also have "great" How-To forums and reports and wonderful help staff trying to sell you parts. I totally redid my 14 after I dug it out of a thrift shop where it was moved after sitting for 20 years. I have used many of the "technical reports" from Pelican Parts to fix and refurbish.

Good luck,

Fred Adler
San Diego :P

Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:29 pm

LAST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a link on ebay to give you a feel for cost involved

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Weber-Carb-Kit-PORS...0007r11007

Just go ebay and go Porsche 914 carburators. :arrow:

Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:19 pm

Hey,thanks for al the info and good luck with yours! I have been into acvw's all my life but have never owned a 914. I have always been a bit afraid of the potential hassles of keeping one up. Plus the local 914 parts house was run by a real flake. I just could never work my way past having to inevitably deal with them. So i didn't, but times change! I am always on the lookout for the right one.

Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:45 am

Djet is a great system but yes only rebuilt MPS's are available nowdays unless one sources a NOS one. I can recalibrate em but didn't know Dave Darling did...doubt that he does.

Ljet is fine too but has lots of extra pieces and I think the Djet has better throttle response....toss in a Jake Raby 9550 cam and its a screamer. Once you drive a set up 914 you'll want one. :wink:

In GA is AutomoblieAtlanta who does have tons of 914 parts some at a decent price.. PelicanParts is okay.

Best site is 914Club.com

oh yeah, on dual carbs...they work great "IF" you install a carb cam as the stock cam in a FI grind and adding dual carbs to it works barely ok. 40mm Webers or Dells are nice if you live in a warm local as they don't have chokes.
34 ICTs, Kadrons etc suck on a 914 as they are too small..and the single Weber is a joke.

Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:32 pm

I always recommend these guys:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php

For tech questions AND parts, new and used.

They know everything about these cars and have done everything to them already. Post your question and just wait for the many, many answers.
Plus, if you decide to opt out for carbs, you'll most likely find a set already set up and ready to bolt on in the for-sale section.

Definitely worth a look.

I ended up running KADRONS in my last 914. I had them set up by A.J. Sims and opted for the vacuum porting and an SVA distributor, stock cam and compression.
The car ran very well, I thought. A lot of the time folks try to run too much carb on the smaller flat four and then attempt to use an 009 due to the lack of vacuum ports. This is a TERRIBLE combination with the stock cam.

I expect Raby to jump in any post now and try to sell you something unbelievably expensive . . . somehow his advice always includes a plea to purchase something from him . . .
but for a quick and easy alternative to FI on a small stock motor. KADS and an SVA distributor is really kind of nice.

Luck!

TC

Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:28 pm

Quote: I expect Raby to jump in any post now and try to sell you something unbelievably expensive

Thanks for the invitation...

Correction:
"Unbelievably Effective" is the term that should have been used. Ask anyone who has paid the price of admission and you'll see that the general consensus is the products we offer are priced fairly for what they offer in the way of effectiveness. That means VALUE, not expense.

Now, with that out of the way
Original poster:
I have a ton of stock FI parts for all different size engines. We sell the stuff really cheap, because we have zero application for it.

Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:15 pm

AH HA ! ! !

It's YOU ! ! ! What do you have, some kind of amazing search engine that regularly emails any reference to your name when it appears on the internet?

Or minions ! ? ! ? Have you actually got minions who endless scan the web looking for Raby references on the various forums? You DO don't you !

I mean, you're amazing. I've seen you in action and hardly an hour passes between your name being mentioned and a personal response from you !

Now I want minions . . . where did you get 'em?

Lucky bastard has his own minions . . . .

Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:41 pm

Quote: It's YOU ! ! ! What do you have, some kind of amazing search engine that regularly emails any reference to your name when it appears on the internet?
Software... Anything is possible when you have Customers that are programmers for Microsoft.....

Quote: Or minions ! ? ! ? Have you actually got minions who endless scan the web looking for Raby references on the various forums? You DO don't you !
I have thought about that, because I like absolute effectiveness, but it's not necessary... I do fine as is, and it doesn't matter what forum it is or what language it's in.. Earlier this week I crashed someone's party on a Norwegian forum, in his own language when he made an inaccurate post.. He assumed I'd never see it. (Never assume anything)

Quote: I mean, you're amazing. I've seen you in action and hardly an hour passes between your name being mentioned and a personal response from you !
I never rest. I never sleep. I am on cue at all times.

:-)

Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:35 am

Jake Raby wrote: Quote: It's YOU ! ! ! What do you have, some kind of amazing search engine that regularly emails any reference to your name when it appears on the internet?
Software... Anything is possible when you have Customers that are programmers for Microsoft.....

Quote: Or minions ! ? ! ? Have you actually got minions who endless scan the web looking for Raby references on the various forums? You DO don't you !
I have thought about that, because I like absolute effectiveness, but it's not necessary... I do fine as is, and it doesn't matter what forum it is or what language it's in.. Earlier this week I crashed someone's party on a Norwegian forum, in his own language when he made an inaccurate post.. He assumed I'd never see it. (Never assume anything)

Quote: I mean, you're amazing. I've seen you in action and hardly an hour passes between your name being mentioned and a personal response from you !
I never rest. I never sleep. I am on cue at all times.

:-)

Priceless :D

Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:09 pm

TxSandMan wrote: Morning, everyone!

Question?
Will a FI setup for a 1.7 work on a 1.8? :?:

Thanks,
Johnny!
[email protected]
Hello...I have a 73 914 1.7..the F I ran great for 10 years...it soon started to back fire and run crappy..after 400 dollars and no change...( I replaced almost EVERYTHING !!)..I am a stickler for F I .. and would not do a carb conversion !!well...I had to...the 38 year old sensors are hard to find and if you find a good one HOW LONG WILL IT LAST??..I installed Dellorto 40's with stock jetting..and for now kept the F I vac advance dist.As far as plugging up anything..not true..I was left with one wire for the head temp sensor,one wire for the aux air reg,and reused the fuel pump wires for the new 3.5 PSI unit. I only capped off the two vac ports on the dist.After putting on the carbs and fine tuning..I am happy !!.. it sound nice and throaty..and has a nice bark too !!..I could not get a good answer from anyone about losing any top or bottom end power due to the F I cam....IT HAS A COUPLE OF MINOR FLAT SPOTS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH A NEW 009..THATS ALL...I HAVE NO NOTICE OF ANY LOSS OF POWER !!!!!!!!..Finally..I'm able to put those rumors to rest !!..it's not as smooth as F I but it runs and sound's as it should !!..good luck.. check out my you tube vid of the conversion..( emachines dual carbs)

Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:40 am

Years ago I had a '72 914 - ran great, good mileage, smooth. Decided I wanted more power and decided to rebuild engine. Swapped FI for Webers. I changed to larger P&C, swapped cam for mild carb one and went with 009 distributor. Seemed faster but always had a lag in accelerating - tying to fix became a second hobby. Never was as smooth as with the FI.