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Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:11 am

It would cost a least a half a million dollars to restore the car properly.
Most of all the part would have to be made. But it would be worth it. This is the most historic find in vw history.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:21 am

usariemen wrote:
Wow, you must be very close with the VW factory to tell what they want and what not for sure. Their convertible they will surely sell soon while it was not build there anyway. :?

Yes Carsten I have a few good contact persons At the factory !
And I do not regret that !
And BTW the things that I was telling above is nothing new, and knowing by a lot of people! They have other intresting VW related projects now, That need a lot of attention ! And they sold recently already a few cars that where less interesting for them !

Guido

Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:36 am

hebman wrote: It would cost a least a half a million dollars to restore the car properly.
Most of all the part would have to be made. But it would be worth it. This is the most historic find in vw history.

This would take much more than money and fabrication skills. What you would also need is extensive amount of literature, original blueprints, drawings and an impressive stash of genuine parts from 1938! Even then it would be one hell of a project.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:42 am

tazm wrote:
...And they sold recently already a few cars that where less interesting for them !

Guido

:shock: Is the worldwide crisis :D

I am sure they made it well to sell, somethimes is better to be in privat hands collectors, some have their own museum and can be visited too, not all privat collectors, but the meaning of this is to show this historic cars, otherwise why to hide and put a blanket on the top? why? there is no sense.

Guido said: "everything depends the projects they have" is true, and I would say more: priorities also.

Undis thanks to keep our souls alive about this amazing story :shock: , keep us informed.

Best Regards.
Frank

Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:49 am

This must be the greatest find so far this millenium!!

If you take a look at the pictures of the inside rear lid. Has anyone noticed that it has exacly the same type of pin that holds the lid in open position as the 38 model.
It is hooked horisontally when not in use, slightly bent in shape as well as on the historic pictures of the lid.

I hope someone takes good care of it and tries to restore it the best it could.

Thomas

Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:44 am

SplitPersonality wrote: But I guess most 1940-45 parts would fit anyway. I would strongly disagree with this. The prototype cars were constructed without any rational thought given toward mass production. They were basically samples of the design, not a production ready automobile. In 1940, Porsche along with his team of recruited German-American production specialists from Detroit completely rationalized the design for mass production. Every individual body panel was re-engineered to make the car production friendly.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:01 am

Most of the suppositions and comparisons being made here are based on restoration of production cars. This was a prototype, and few things about it will exactly match the production model exactly.

Done properly, just like the way it was built, most of the work on the body will have to be done by and created by hand. Grafts from early cars should work for the windows.

Honestly, Volkswagen should be made aware of the car. They have the resources to purchase and restore it better than almost anyone.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:11 am

Jim Douglas Jr. wrote: Honestly, Volkswagen should be made aware of the car. They have the resources to purchase and restore it better than almost anyone. The VW Museum is famous for their inaccurate "restorations". As tazm pointed out, if anyone has the documentation to make this car right, it's not, ironically, VW.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:15 am

unfortunately most of the factory's restorations are far from concourse. Most of their cars have incorrect parts on them. Parts that are available so it not a matter of parts being unobtainable.

Just the #3 '38 that they have and the convertible have a huge amount of incorrect parts on them. These are arguably the most significant cars in their collection.

It would be interesting to see their reaction to this find however.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:18 am

Jim Douglas Jr. wrote: Honestly, Volkswagen should be made aware of the car. They have the resources to purchase and restore it better than almost anyone. We're forgetting there is already a private owner involved. Were it your car, you might not be too anxious to hand it over to Mother Volkswagen.

Second, as has been mentioned, Volkswagen does not have an in-house restoration shop. Anything they have had restored has been farmed out to experts.

So that just leaves resources. Yes, the factory has the resorces, but would they want to expend them?

The current owner will have a lot to decide. But as I said, nothing on this car will be exactly the same as on a production model, so it will take a very talented restorer or team of restorers to bring it back to its prewar glory.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:54 am

ZwitterND wrote: damn..nothing this cool ever happens here in North Dakota... :shock:

You may want to move to Lithuania then.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:59 am

stu wrote: when is the original poster going to visit the car in person and take some better pictures? ie: dash & interior pics... :D

Soon, hopefully. Somehow the rest of my life gets in the way.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:16 pm

Ninamashr wrote: Undis, You mention it was found last summer, has anything been done to it since?

Honestly, I don't know. I'm waiting for recent photos. Somehow I don't think anything has been done to it.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:36 pm

tazm wrote: Maybe you're where dreaming Rich ! :wink:
But 1 thing I Know for sure ! The VW factory, would not be interested in that car !!
1 because they have already a car in the museum ! And they would not spend money on a second car !
2 because they are not able to restore the car ,They do not have any information about these cars , for the simple reason they are not Builded In the VW factory ! There was not a VW factory in that Time :lol: :lol:
These cars are builded somewhere else ,And they have nothing to do with The VW Factory !

I know the person who owns the drawings and detailed discriptions from these cars from 1936 till 1939,I could show you some pictures from the drawings (But I have to ask first If I'm alloud to do that ) He would be the only person who could restore this car like it should be !

Regards,

Guido

Guido, who ever you may know where ever. The VW company surely will not inform you about their plans about buying anything or not.
It just sounds stupid to say they would not be interested in such a car because it was not built in that factory, while they went through big efforts to rebuild th V3 and the VW30 prototypes. I am sure they would not mind adding a real VW 38 to their collection.
We do not have to talk about their restos. They where a mess in the past in the most cases.
At least we both know who would be able to do the job right and my guess is it will end up right there.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:50 pm

rainierdeklark wrote: Is that an H-steering wheel?

I don't believe so, check out the column it's attached to...

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:00 pm

It is probably a Volga steering wheel on that heavy colum

What I find comic is that the ventwindows fit amazingly the doors. They do not look like VW ventwindows if you look at the hinges? :shock:

it is also the first Pre Kdf with seat belts....automatic seat belts? :lol:

Undis, THANK YOU FOR SHARING this to the VW world . 8)
Greets.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:10 pm

I don't believe also, I made some treatment in photoshop, it was the best I could, we see an "arm" from the stearing, but there is no other, from the H, by the shadows and contrast we cant see anything, maybe someone can make a better treatment in the photoshop.

Is dificult, we have to wait for new pictures from this amazing finding.

Kind Regards
Frank

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:21 pm

To enlarge the rear window is something I can understand. It was done a lot in the '60s to Splits and Ovals to make them look "newer". But to change the whole windshield and surrounding seems crazy. Could it be that sometime in the past the laws in Lithuania changed concerning the minimum size of windshields and because people were too poor to throw the car away and buy a new car, they enlarged the windshield of this car that they already had, with a graft from some eastern European car?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:38 pm

rainierdeklark wrote: To enlarge the rear window is something I can understand. It was done a lot in the '60s to Splits and Ovals to make them look "newer". But to change the whole windshield and surrounding seems crazy. Could it be that sometime in the past the laws in Lithuania changed concerning the minimum size of windshields and because people were too poor to throw the car away and buy a new car, they enlarged the windshield of this car that they already had, with a graft from some eastern European car?

I think it is more to do with the way cars were generally re-used behind the Iron Curtain, Tatra's are one brand I know that were sent back to the factory in the 1950's and 1960's to be rebodied and updated with the new parts. To keep them "modern"

I have also seen several pictures of prewar Mercedes Benz cars that have been butchered and rebodied with god only knows what.

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:47 pm

I guess this is the third oldest VW known or the oldest in private hands.
Only behind the hardtop and convertible that was at ground breaking Ceremony and the factory.

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