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Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:31 am

So my girlfriend finally got me a nice digital camera, so I thought I'd take some quality pictures of the car. Right now it's a work in progress, but it's starting to get there.

Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:43 am

Looks pretty straight! All it needs is new stainless trim from ISP and an aerial! 8)

Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:37 pm

Yeah the trim is definately coming, but after she gets painted...not sure which color i'm going to go with yet, but i'm leaning towards copper or seafoam green...

Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:15 pm

what exhaust are you running?

Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:28 pm

Nice looking fasty... I like the Rivies on it. looks good. I say seafoam green. I'm thinking of painting my square the same color...

-Brad

Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:54 pm

Seafoam green might make a nice contrast to that 71 Nova sitting in the garage. 8) The copper color would just make it look like a Cobalt on steroids. :wink:

Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:08 pm

i have always loved chevy novas. i actually had a chance to buy a 70, but i choose the fastback over it. just courious, how big of an engine you have in the nova?

Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:49 pm

believe it or not the guy I bought this from had picked up the car from a paint shop's front lot that was abandoned. Someone had it painted a metallic seafoam green and he hated it, so he sanded primered the whole car. The inner trunk is still seafoam green and it looks amazing.

That nova is '70 SS 396, it's my buddy's car (we were putting in the correct Dash that day). Right now it only has a cammed chevy 350 in it, but he's on the search for a 396 motor right now. He's also on the hunt for a squareback...he laughed at me when I told him I found a '70 fastback I wanted to go look at. Now he's downright in love with Type 3s.

Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:58 pm

Here's a picture of the motor...

Before you say anything just know i'm not happy with this setup the last owner put in here. It's a Type 4 motor, 1700cc with a 32/36F Empi Carb.
I would kill to have the original 1600cc with FI. The exhaust is an Empi Ultra Quiet Exhaust system (I hate it).

Im going to be making some changes to it in the near future. I've spent a bunch of money just making this thing driveable again.
I'm sort of weighing the cost of putting a Type 3 motor in, although the Type 4 motor has a fresh rebuild, it just seems like parts are very hard to find. I'd like to change out the carb with FI and also change the exhaust system on it.

Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:17 am

why do you hate the exhaust?

Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:42 am

If it was mine I'd pull that T4 engine and put it 1 of the 2 T3 engines I've got for sale in my "66 sunroof square" ad. I've got good deck metal and engine lids too! You can put dual carbs on T4's. Ask Tomnotch what he's running on his T4 engine in his notch?

Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:41 am

Keep the T4! as far as engine conversion go, this is arguably the best. it fits right under the deck lid and parts for the FI are more available. plus you get the added perks of it being VW, aircooled, alternator, external oil filter, and larger displacement! its a T3 with all the modern amenities. The hard work of converting has already been done for you...

I say keep the engine but ditch the shitty progressive carb. Get a pair of dual ICT's, stock 34PDSITS, some dells, whatever and get shorty manifolds so it fits under the deck.

OR--even better-- find a complete L-Jet FI system in the classy's and put it on there-- just be sure to match up the engine displacement/year of the engine to the FI applicable (they changed through the years) you'll get awesome mileage and good power.

Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:37 am

JSMskater wrote:
I say keep the engine but ditch the shitty progressive carb. Get a pair of dual ICT's, stock 34PDSITS, some dells, whatever and get shorty manifolds so it fits under the deck.

OR--even better-- find a complete L-Jet FI system in the classy's and put it on there-- just be sure to match up the engine displacement/year of the engine to the FI applicable (they changed through the years) you'll get awesome mileage and good power.

X2, except that he has a 1700cc. 1700s were carbed, not FI IIRC (even in 411 ?), so I would say stick with carbs : stock 34 solexes, or whatever with short manifolds.

Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:49 am

Pierre G wrote: JSMskater wrote:
I say keep the engine but ditch the shitty progressive carb. Get a pair of dual ICT's, stock 34PDSITS, some dells, whatever and get shorty manifolds so it fits under the deck.

OR--even better-- find a complete L-Jet FI system in the classy's and put it on there-- just be sure to match up the engine displacement/year of the engine to the FI applicable (they changed through the years) you'll get awesome mileage and good power.

X2, except that he has a 1700cc. 1700s were carbed, not FI IIRC (even in 411 ?), so I would say stick with carbs : stock 34 solexes, or whatever with short manifolds.

the problem with going with carbs is that the short manifolds for the Type 4 can be very difficult to find...

but all efforts to unload that progressive and return the engine cover to its rightful place should be pushed...

Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:09 am

Pierre G wrote: X2, except that he has a 1700cc. 1700s were carbed, not FI IIRC (even in 411 ?),
411's and 412's were injected in the US market. The 1700's had D-Jetronic like the Type 3, the 1800's had L-Jetronic like the Bay Bus. Either one fits under the T3 lid with a lil' bit of tinkering.

I'm putting together a 2.0L T4 engine for my '70 Fastback and it'll be fueled with D-jet. Robbed the whole EFI system from a '71 411 at the wrecking yard, picked up higher-flow injectors off a '74 Saab 99; it's a 2L engine with D-Jetronic. vw4life269s has a 2056 T4 in his Squareback that's fed with L-Jetronic from an '80 Vanagon. then there's Tom Notch...

Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:41 pm

I've still got my 2.0L t-4 sitting under my TIG welding table. I had it in my 71 Roadster with D-jet FI. Fit very nicely under the load floor, with no cutting of the t-3. It was set up, so I could swap to a 1600 t-3 in a couple of hours. 8) Some day it'll go back in there.

Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:43 pm

tristessa wrote: Pierre G wrote: X2, except that he has a 1700cc. 1700s were carbed, not FI IIRC (even in 411 ?),
411's and 412's were injected in the US market. The 1700's had D-Jetronic like the Type 3, the 1800's had L-Jetronic like the Bay Bus.

Thanks for the info. I had a doubt on the 411/412 indeed...

Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:39 pm

so i finally looked up the engine codes on this and it's a CB motor, which means its not in fact a type 4, but a Type 2 1700cc 72/73 motor, will this make a difference for parts availability?

Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:23 am

Availability will probably be better, as there was much more buses than 411/412...

Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:55 am

AdamsFastback wrote: so i finally looked up the engine codes on this and it's a CB motor, which means its not in fact a type 4, but a Type 2 1700cc 72/73 motor, will this make a difference for parts availability?

I wouldn't call it a type 2 really, since most manuals would call it a t4 based engine. there will be numerous differences in terms of tin/shrouding and type of fuel delivery amongst other things, since they had drastically different engine bay size constraints and the vehicles themselves were different-- but the longblock IS a t4.

I say again-- look around for the FI- you wont regret it.