TheSamba.com :: View topic

Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:39 am

I was dead certain this tool pouch was original to my '62. Now, I'm not so sure. The material looks like the later 60's seat covers if that's where the material came from.

Purchased the car in '94 from the original owners. Car is L-87 Pearl White and had still the original vinyl brick red seat covers when I bought it.

Opinions please

Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:10 am

Nope, sorry.
Later material and later design.

Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:41 am

Quote: Nope, sorry.
Later material and later design.

Thanks House. That clears things up. I'm assuming any cloth bag would be ok for a '62 with vinyl seats.

I like the roll with pockets better anyway.

Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:25 am

The wood screwdriver seen there is not VW-issue.

Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:49 am

Quote: The wood screwdriver seen there is not VW-issue

Thanks Everett. I don't think I've ever examined it as this pouch is not used anyway. I do have the pliers which I use.

Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:54 am

House wrote: Nope, sorry.
Later material and later design.

It seems nobody has the right bag for their year. Maybe we should all get together and swap until we all have the correct one. :lol:

Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:10 am

just checked in on the tool kit forum replies and found a good one! the comment was about the 'appearance' of the hub cap puller-a wire loop with hooked ends. forum contributor says it came out in 1960(thanks ken-good point!). i checked and sure as rain and taxes-there it was-first listing for this item was 1960. if so-what were the two sets of holes for-just water drainage? although 'on paper' it shows it making its debut in 1960-is it possible its low value-probably .02 pfenning-it was just not listed? usually when i have found an early complete kit-i get real excited to see the hub cap puller is still there-meaning nothing has been lost! open for comment that maybe others have noticed these in early-'unmolested' kits. glad to see the toolroll/toolbag topic take off-what a nightmare-that needs way more comments and contributions!

Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:58 am

For Buses, the hub cap removal tool appears to have been added as of the May, 1959 owner's manual.

From reading the Bus manuals, the 5/59 manual is also the beginning where they mention using the tool in the tire changing portion of the text.
From August, 1958, page 38:
"Remove hub cap"
From May, 1959, page 39:
"Remove hub cap by means of hub cap removal tool"

I always thought the holes were for drainage and the tool just used them as a convenience.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:05 am

the topic of original tool kit toolroll material supplied by the factory has really not been refined. there are those that believe it was matched to the car seat or panel material.(this certainly looks nicer at a car show). there are those that say it was not matched(i tend to believe this). when was it vinyl or cloth? was it sewn at this point or heat seamed? how many pockets per end? this is an exhautive study-it would take a a roomfull of the most fanatic volkswagen restoration nuts and half the original vw factory engineers to come up with the definative answer. but has anyone ever noticed that most of the split and especially the early bus have a green-military looking duck canvas toolroll? i don't think i have seen this used on any seat or panel in any vw. (yes-there is one-the kubel and schwimwagens) even the canvas 'tent' for the single and crewcabs that i have seen is a heavier offwhite 'duck canvas'. where does the green material come in? what have you noticed?

Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:55 am

I don't think the tool roll material was matched to the car's upholstery. It seems to have been random. Similarly, you can often find scraps of mismatched upholstery vinyl used for various purposes behind interior panels.

The green canvas tool bags were still used well into the 1960s. A low-mileage '65 Squareback I used to own came with one and I am certain it was original to the car.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:40 pm

oldvdub wrote: the topic of original tool kit toolroll material supplied by the factory has really not been refined. there are those that believe it was matched to the car seat or panel material.(this certainly looks nicer at a car show). there are those that say it was not matched(i tend to believe this).
It absolutely was not matched in all cases. My '63 Bus does match but I have seen other Buses from the same year with original tool kits that had the "other" material. For instance 63 Deluxes had either a green or light grey vinyl interior. My green Bus had a green tool roll but I've seen a light grey tool roll come out of another green Deluxe. Both were original kits.
My Bus kit
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=599067

From what I have seen, Commercial Buses had tool bags that matched, at least through 1962. Black and then dark grey.

oldvdub wrote: when was it vinyl or cloth?
Varies and some years had both available depending on ? (random I assume). I have a tool kit from the original family of a '64 Bug. It's cross-hatch cloth. I don't know if this Beetle had cloth seats originally.
'64 Bug kit
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=430319

oldvdub wrote: but has anyone ever noticed that most of the split and especially the early bus have a green-military looking duck canvas toolroll?... where does the green material come in? what have you noticed?
I have seen it on early Type 3s at the latest. My '63 Squareback and ex-'63 Notchback both have the original green canvas bags. I'm not sure why Type 3s as Buses/Bugs of that era typically have vinyl. I have seen other Type 3s from the same time frame with vinyl tool kits.
My '63 Squareback kit:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=286051

The later cars (66-up?) all seem to have the smaller vinyl bags.

The only way to know what came with a particular month/year vehicle would be to do a survey of people who have the original tool kits. I have found even the owner's manuals are incorrect sometimes as to what was included. They are a good starting guide but if you have a car that was produced around the time of a tool kit change, the owner's manuals were sometimes not updated for a year in some cases.

Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:26 pm

In 1956 I bought a new VW. Now, that makes me old and prone to memory lapses, but I would almost swear that the tool kit that came with it had the large round hub cap removal tool. I had therefore always assumed that they had been around much longer than the consensus on this forum which tends to indicate that no hub cap removal tool was included until around 1960.

Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:13 pm

i'll be dammed...somone older than me in the hobby! you say you bought your first vw in 1956....me too-mine was made by dinky toys-i still have it!

Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:18 am

I was going through some parts boxes the other day and came across some tool roll pouches that I'd had for a while. I thought I would clean one up and use it in my 62 beryl green beetle. I took the best one and sprayed it down with some citrus cleaner and man that thing came back nice. It was so dirty I had no idea what color it was. What's really cool is that turned out to be made from "77 soft beige" upholstery which is original in beryl green cars.

I cobbled together a kit of tools and I think I am only missing the small screwdriver. The pliers are not Hazet but "Monitor Sweden". They are vintage and look the part. They'll do until I find a pair of Hazets.

My question is, what is the little 14mm socket meant for? There must be an important use for it to be included in the kit. Here it is.

Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:56 am