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Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:36 pm

I post this in the super beetle forum as my engine in my car is out of a super. It's a single port 1600 cc. It was out of an auto stick car, which the junkyard pulled for me and swapped the fuel pump to a stick car, as well as the flywheel etc. Well, today I decided to put an oil filter in line with it. In order, I needed to replace the oil pump with a full flow unit. Well, he thought it would have one sort of cam shaft...Well, it has the other, and the pump don't fit right. I want to drive the car this weekend and can't justify the $$$ I spent on the pump, plus I can't exchange it til monday (not open)
What's wrong with drilling my stock pump to make it a full flow? all I can tell is it's an extra 90* hole difference in the design...
Thoughts? Thanks

Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:57 pm

Did you purchase a dual stage pump[auto-stick] to replace your old pump? Also find out if your cam gear is flat or dished, most likely dished.
Ensuring proper parts will save you time and money before you drill out your oil pump.

Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:20 am

I fail at typing, they swapped it to a regular old oil pump, not fuel pump.... Oops.
But, I got an oil pump for a dished cam and it appears it's supposed to be a flat cam since the dished cam won't fit. I don't see why I couldn't drill the oil pump that was in the engine, rather then wait to get the right new one. I'll post pics of what I have tomorrow.

Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:59 am

sammyg wrote: I fail at typing, they swapped it to a regular old oil pump, not fuel pump.... Oops.
But, I got an oil pump for a dished cam and it appears it's supposed to be a flat cam since the dished cam won't fit. I don't see why I couldn't drill the oil pump that was in the engine, rather then wait to get the right new one. I'll post pics of what I have tomorrow.

Just use your existing working pump until you get the right parts. Forget about the oil filter until then.

Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:41 pm

when doing full flow with filter and cooler, is it nessessary to use the doghouse oil cooler also? Any reason to remove it, or leave it?

Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:10 pm

sammyg wrote:
But, I got an oil pump for a dished cam and it appears it's supposed to be a flat cam since the dished cam won't fit.

So the oil pump body hits the camshaft before the pump is all the way into its hole in the case?

Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:07 am

Matt,
Why not just get a Schadek 21mm pump? Or a larger 26mm flat cam pump. You could flog off the complete 1600 SP A-S pump and get your money back easily.

HTH
Volkenstein

Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:55 am

mattg6o wrote: when doing full flow with filter and cooler, is it nessessary to use the doghouse oil cooler also? Any reason to remove it, or leave it?

Gene Berg's website has some good tech stuff on oil coolers.

Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:01 am

mattg6o wrote: when doing full flow with filter and cooler, is it nessessary to use the doghouse oil cooler also? Any reason to remove it, or leave it?

When you are doing full flow, it dosn't matter which shroud/cooler set up you use. And there is no reason to remove any of that unless you are picking up your flow from the stock cooler location.

BUT before you go screwing a cooler on, make sure you really need one! A lot of folks put one on because it's the "cool" thing to do. but unless you are operating in elevated oil temperature range, the installation of a cooler can do more harm then good. Simply put, cold oil don't lubricate!

Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:31 am

volkenstein wrote: Matt,
Why not just get a Schadek 21mm pump? Or a larger 26mm flat cam pump. You could flog off the complete 1600 SP A-S pump and get your money back easily.

HTH
Volkenstein

havent determined the turbo position yet. thought about using it to scavenge the turbo if its mounted low. If its high I will swap it as no one has said they've had any problems gravity draining their turbo.

Also talking about dished can and flat cam....I've been looking at the scat 1776 kit. I know nothing about cams in AC VW's. my stock gear one looks dished. the scat one looks flat. would i run into a problem using the AS pump with that?

Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:55 pm

Matt,
Sorry, the comment was meant for the OP :oops: .

Scat engine's will typically be equipped with a flat cam. So you have to order a pump to suit (unless they supply).

The problem with an A-S pump is the 26mm version only fits 71+ dished cam engine, the 21mm version used on 1600 SP's (typically "B" blocks) *can* fit 71+ engines with a flat cam (aftermarket) BUT you only get 21mm gears.

There is one more A-S pump that is for "H" series engines.....but let's not go there...

On STF someone machined up an A-S pump outer half that was 180 Deg around..eg this is the normal pump gear train: + + Cam
+-+
And this is what he made it : + Cam
+-+
+

So there is a fait bit involved....

What I'm trying to say is : Find a good turbo shop or maybe someone like Miniman(?) or TheNoof for better (and more relevant to your dilemma) advice than I can give :lol:

Not much help, sorry about that
Volkenstein

Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:42 pm

original post like 3 months ago :lol:

Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:25 pm

What drilling do you need to do to the pump.

Every full flow I have seen has the existing exit hole plugged . . .

You talking about drilling into the second stage of an auto stick pump?

Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:34 am

Fattie wrote: original post like 3 months ago :lol:

Proper forum etiquette. You are supposed to use a pre-existing thread, if available. If everyone starts a new thread on similar topics, it renders the search function useless. "I did a search, but I got XXXX number of hits and didn't feel like going through all of them."