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Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:15 pm

bought this one from a samba vendor , he didn`t know if it was for real or not , then he told me it indeed was and charged me 550 bucks for it ....

i have received it today , and i don`t think it is , brass ends , nice finish and black paint under the gray finish paint.....i believe it is one of K-N knock offs ....what do you think ??

Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:41 pm

That jacket is far too nice to be real.

I would expect to see casting marks, pits, seams, lumps and bumps on an original one. the ends where the tubes exit should not have filing marks on them.

Intake ends should also be cast and not bronze I think.

Welds around riser flange are too nicely done and smooth, bolt holes in the flange are champfered which I don't think is correct.

My vote is it's a fake (reproduction).

Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:45 pm

Definitely not original. There is no evidence of the sand cast jacket, nor a seam, it looks heavily machined and polished. Original jackets were very pitted, the sprue location on the top right side could always be seen and their were often voids in places.

No logos under the endcastings and they were all made of steel, not brass.

File marks on the ends of the endcastings and what looks like an epoxy filler used where the heat riser tubes enter the jacket. The contours on the backside are not correct.

Just my opinion of course, but I have had my hands on at least a dozen of those, and currently have 3 or 4 of them.

If you do feel you got hosed, Ricardo, make sure you post in the buyer/seller feedback forum.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:10 pm

John:

i will try to talk to the seller first , it is not nice to pay 550 for a repro "k"

Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:42 pm

splitpartsunlimited wrote: John:

i will try to talk to the seller first , it is not nice to pay 550 for a repro "k"

But its ok to pay $1,200 for a repro horn ring and $650 for a repro Telefunken face plate?

Just curious where the line gets drawn.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:50 pm

To be clear, I do not think its right if the seller misrepresented you.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:57 pm

splitpartsunlimited wrote: John:

i will try to talk to the seller first , it is not nice to pay 550 for a repro "k"

No problem with that is long as it is SOLD to you as a repro JK. Deception is another issue...

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:13 pm

it was not sold as a repro ......that`s the problem .....wanna see the email thread ??

wiggy , my parts are sold at 1200 and 650 as you say , but as REPRO PARTS , i do not fool ANYONE

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:20 pm

Quote: But its ok to pay $1,200 for a repro horn ring and $650 for a repro Telefunken face plate?

Just curious where the line gets drawn.

I think thats a bit harsh. Everyone knows what they get with split parts unlimited, repro. Very good repro. I personally am happy to buy it and have done when I can't get/ afford the genuine. Ricardo does fine work and doesn't rip anyone off! Without him I'd be a lot further of a finished split bug.

Which reminds me Ricardo do you do reflectors for my 56 bus??

Seb

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:34 pm

Here are pics of an original one I have.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:42 pm

DOES IT LOOKS LIKE I BOUGHT A REPRO ?? SHIPPING COSTED $40 SO I PAID $110 MORE THAN WHAT I WOULD HAVE PAID FOR A REPRO .

read the thread , from below

--- El sáb, 17/10/09, xxxxx@xxx.net <xxxxx@xxx.net> escribió:

De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
Fecha: sábado, 17 octubre, 2009 8:45

Package taken to UPS store #5440 in Glendale Az.today.
Numbers used for tracking according to the clerk will be
CP198807661US
or
7530-01-000-9834
Approx. delivery date between October 27th & November 3rd.
Thanks,
xxxx
---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> money has been sent
>
> address:
>
> ricardo deisernia
> xxxxxxxxxxxx (1419)
> capital federal
> Argentina
>
> don`t forget the tracking number , please
>
> thank you
>
> Ricardo
>
> --- El jue, 15/10/09, xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
>
>
> De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> Fecha: jueves, 15 octubre, 2009 11:41
>
>
> No problem. I'm loading for a swap meet in Tucson Arizona on Saturday so let me know asap. Thanks,
> xxxx

> ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > of course yes , i will transfer the money tomorrow , i am now at a internet station and i don't want to send money from an unsecure place .
> >
> > believe it or not , i have been from past wed to sat without internet , technicians came to fix it and on monday a passing truck broke the wires ....
> >
> > i believe they will fix it today
> >
> >
> > thank you
> >
> > Ricardo
> >
> > --- El mié, 14/10/09, xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
> >
> >
> > De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> > Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> > Fecha: miércoles, 14 octubre, 2009 10:09
> >
> >
> > Just checking to see if we are still a go?
> > xxxxx
> >
> > ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > ok, consider it sold , i am going to pay on next wednesday when i get my home internet service back , i don't want to send money from a cibercaffee , password can be stolen
> > >
> > > but , again , consider it sold , please
> > >
> > > Ricardo
> > >
> > > --- El sáb, 10/10/09, xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > > De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > > Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> > > Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> > > Fecha: sábado, 10 octubre, 2009 5:24
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes $550. to Argentina. PayPal info is xxxx@xxx.net
> > > Please be sure to include address in the note section of payment.
> > > Thanks,
> > > xxxxx
> > >
> > > ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > > i sent you an answer already , ok , but are these charges to buenos aires argentina ????
> > > > Ricardo
> > >
> > > xxxx@xxx.net escribió:
> > > > Not sure if my email went through. Shipping, fees & insurance $550. let me know. Thanks,
> > > > xxxxx
> > > > ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > >> xxxxx :
> > > >> thank you for keeping your word on this deal , check postage to buenos aires , argentina , please.
> > > >>
> > > >> i am paypal verified
> > > >>
> > > >> best regards
> > > >>
> > > >> Ricardo
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > >> Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> > > >> Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> > > >> Fecha: jueves, 8 octubre, 2009 11:38
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Ouch! That hurts a bit. I'll ship it prepaid in continental US for $500. My PayPal is xxxx@xxx.net
> > > >> Please be sure to include your address in the note section of payment. Sorry I didn't mean to make you feel I was jacking the price on you. My mistake to begin with for sure. Hope this works for you. Thanks,
> > > >> xxxxx
> > > >> ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > >> > i thought you might keep your word and sell it for at least the 425 you asked initially to me
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Let me know , please
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ricardo
> > > >>
> > > >> xxxx@xxx.net escribió:
> > > >> > Honestly your offer doesn't make sense as I priced the manifold below repro price then we've now identified that it's OG and your offer is well below asking price. Ad is being updated to $600. plus shipping but if you're still interested I'll pay shipping at $600. Thanks,
> > > >> > xxxxx

> > > >> > ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > >> >> would you take 350 plus shipping ??
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> i need it for my own car , since a finnish guy sold me an incorrect manifold like the best one money can buy ....
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ricardo
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --- El mar, 6/10/09, xxxx@xxx.net <xxxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > > >> >> Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> > > >> >> Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> > > >> >> Fecha: martes, 6 octubre, 2009 10:22
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Around where the larger tubes come out there's the recessed area and next to one of the holes on each side is a stamped circle with what looks to be the logo. It's hard to see as I believe the PO must've sent this out to be coated & the jacket polished??? Guess my price needs to go above the repro price!!!! Make me a real good offer and it's yours.
> > > >> >> xxxxx

> > > >> >> ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > >> >> > mhhhh can you send me a pic of the ends ?? are they marked vw ??
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > if it`s a repro , i can get it here , k-n makes them ...and he lives 15 mins from my site ....
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Ricardo.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > --- El mar, 6/10/09, xxxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > > >> >> > Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - k manifold
> > > >> >> > Para: "SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED" <libreriajenny@yahoo.es>
> > > >> >> > Fecha: martes, 6 octubre, 2009 9:20
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > It came from the PO & I don't know how to tell the difference. I priced it under the repros because of that reason. If I knew for sure I would be asking upwards of $700.
> > > >> >> > xxxxxx
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ---- SPLIT PARTS UNLIMITED <libreriajenny@yahoo.es> wrote:
> > > >> >> > > Hi ! let me know your best price , please , i am firmly interested
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > this is not a repro , right ??
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > best regards
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > Ricardo
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > --- El sáb, 3/10/09, xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net> escribió:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > De: xxxx@xxx.net <xxxx@xxx.net>
> > > >> >> > > Asunto: Re: TheSamba.com Ad - Split Parts
> > > >> >> > > Para: libreriajenny@yahoo.es
> > > >> >> > > CC: "splitpartsunlimited" <supersamba@thesamba.com>
> > > >> >> > > Fecha: sábado, 3 octubre, 2009 8:20
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > Did you get my reply?
> > > >> >> > > ---- splitpartsunlimited <supersamba@thesamba.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> > > > A visitor to TheSamba.com has replied to your ad for:
> > > >> >> > > > Split Parts Price: Varies
> > > >> >> > > > at: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=767xxx
> > > >> >> > > > and sent the following message:
> > > >> >> > > > ***************************************************************************
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > Contact: splitpartsunlimited - libreriajenny@yahoo.es
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > is that manifold in good cond?? it is for my own car and i don`t want to get trobles on it ....
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > any better price ?? any trades ?? check my ads , please
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > best regards
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > Ricardo
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > >

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:48 pm

Looks to me like someone has been "in taken" :shock:

Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:48 pm

Looks like an old repro, maybe? KN's have only been out a year or 2, that one you have looks like it has been around the block longer than that. It could be an original with new feet installed and someone sanded and polished up the casting? Who has some pics of the KN manifold to post??

Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:54 pm

who reproed that other than k-n??

brass parts ??

Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:58 pm

I don't know who else repro'd them. The KN one is here and the back is not the same as yours.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=226897

Who knows what you got?? Doesn't look original OR like a KN repro...

I would guess it's an original with a lot of "work" done to it... my opinion.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:01 pm

with brass ends ?? btw: the aluminum has been over polished and reshaped on mine ....

Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:07 pm

Would have to be a repro of the endcastings are brass. Its not like the original endcastings "go bad" or anything.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:37 pm

splitpartsunlimited wrote: who reproed that other than k-n??

brass parts ??

I don't see any signs of it being a tooled reproduction, its likely a DIY backyard foundry job starting with an original intake section, its been done before a few times. The brass flanges appear brazed on actually, and the K heat risers can be bent up pretty easy with an average harbor freight tool. Not a bad job actually but clearly not an original.

Its possible the seller didn't know what it isn't, as selling it to you as an original would be risky given you are fairly well known in what you do and how you do it, etc. I'd just try to work out returning it for a refund, and if you sense it was honest mistake maybe you both should just split the return shipping, will just make things go alot smoother, good luck.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:31 pm

The original jacketed K endcastings were brazed onto the intake runner. You would not able to braze a brass endcasting to a steel intake runner, unless the endcasting were actually bronze, or similar alloy with higher melting temp. And bronze does not have good binding properties with brass.

The later 701E endcasting can be used, but is has to be machined for a smaller diameter to fit the 25hp head.

The pic below shows the 36hp endcasting (left) and JK (right)

The 36hp endcastings were also flared for better flow, unlike the JK where you can see the tubing end.

Ricardos pic of the underside does not appear to be a 36hp.

Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:53 pm

johnshenry wrote: The original jacketed K endcastings were brazed onto the intake runner. You would not able to braze a brass endcasting to a steel intake runner, unless the endcasting were actually bronze, or similar alloy with higher melting temp. And bronze does not have good binding properties with brass.

Low temp brazing can fuse brass to steel, and its structurally reliable, at least enough for this application, braze 450 rods or maybe just silver soldering with one of the higher temp solders. From the pictures I'd say its either one or the other that was used, it wasn't welded though thats clear.