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Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:46 pm

[quote="Yellowbeard"]Did they give you a reason why they didn't work?

Vic Sr. is rolling over in his grave right now...

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No they didnt provide a reason because they didnt know themselves where the malfunction was.

Actually I think Vic Jr. has done a pretty good job keeping the company above water and trying to maintain the integrity his father built into the company. Obviously in this day and age you have to continually expand and update your lineup when you are a huge corporation such as they are. I would never hesistate to buy another Edelbrock part, I might just check it over a little more thoroughly before I put it on.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:50 pm

MoparFreak69 wrote: Yellowbeard wrote: Did they give you a reason why they didn't work?

Vic Sr. is rolling over in his grave right now...

No they didnt provide a reason because they didnt know themselves where the malfunction was.
Then how did they tell you how to fix it?
MoparFreak69 wrote: Actually I think Vic Jr. has done a pretty good job keeping the company above water and trying to maintain the integrity his father built into the company.

My remark was referencing flatheads, not Vic Jr's handling of the company.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:54 pm

It was basically a last resport guess. We knew from the tiny pock marks on the pistons and the heads that it was hard contact. Good thing we were just turning the engine over by wrench and not starter.

Whats wrong with the flatties? They were the staple of hot-rodding for decades. In the 20's you were something if you had a V-8!

Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:56 pm

I'm running an EMPI repop side mirror. It was inexpensive, but looked ok. Knowing how much a rear Hagus mirror would cost me....I bought the EMPI unit.

It has taken quite a lot of finagling to keep it looking good. Polish the chrome on the back...but not TOO hard; its thin. I had to Permatex the bolt at the bottom to keep it from folding flat in the WIND. (The body screw part of the fitting is cast pot metal and will crack if you get to enthusiastic trying to tighten the mirror too much.)

Did I 'save a nickel?' Yeah. But I've paid a considerable amount of time keeping the darned thing looking decent.

OTOH, EMPI did help me out once....

You know their 25ft of colored fender beading? $15.99? Well the Pastel White fender beading that should come with my car hasn't been produced since I was in diapers. So I bought their cheapo 25 ft roll of Beige. It looked sick on the car. Then I bleached it down to match the offwhite color of Pastel White.

That's the ONLY time EMPI's cheapo ways have helped me: Giving me a reasonable starting place.

M

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:20 pm

Quote: Whats wrong with the flatties? They were the staple of hot-rodding for decades. In the 20's you were something if you had a V-8!

They are way underpowered compared to any other small block Chevy, Ford or Chrysler with overhead valves, but there is nothing wrong with them for a period correct resto-rod. Only thing is, Edelbrock would not really be period correct. No doubt, though, that an Offy head is probably WAY more expensive than an Edelbrock. A friend of mine will be dropping a flatty into one of his model As, one of these years.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:42 pm

MoparFreak69 wrote: Whats wrong with the flatties? They were the staple of hot-rodding for decades. In the 20's you were something if you had a V-8!

Especially considering Ford didn't introduce the flathead V8 until 1932...

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm

Paul Windisch wrote: They are way underpowered compared to any other small block Chevy, Ford or Chrysler with overhead valves, but there is nothing wrong with them for a period correct resto-rod.
Well, I wouldn't necessarily say WAY underpowered. Inch-for-inch, nearly the same power can be had out of a flathead. But at twice the price. No shit. Before I got done with the 8BA for my dad's '48 Ford 'vert, I could've had two small-block chevies built with the same power. And they wouldn't have had the flathead's annoying tendency to overheat and crack blocks. But nothing sounds like a flathead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0Ph4uuRaE&feature=related
Paul Windisch wrote: Only thing is, Edelbrock would not really be period correct. No doubt, though, that an Offy head is probably WAY more expensive than an Edelbrock.

Not true. Vic Edelbrock Sr. was one of the pioneers of flathead hotrodding. A set of the old block-letter heads for a flattie is much rarer than an original set of Offy's. As far as repros go, Offy is no more expensive than Edelbrock. In fact, I saved about $150 buying Offy intake and heads instead of Edelbrock.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:53 pm

Quote: Well, I wouldn't necessarily say WAY underpowered. Inch-for-inch, nearly the same power can be had out of a flathead.

Stock vs. stock is what I meant. The original flatheads only made about 85 hp. At the time they were extremely powerful though.

Quote: Not true. Vic Edelbrock Sr. was one of the pioneers of flathead hotrodding. A set of the old block-letter heads for a flattie is much rarer than an original set of Offy's. As far as repros go, Offy is no more expensive than Edelbrock. In fact, I saved about $150 buying Offy intake and heads instead of Edelbrock.

Looks like I learned something today. I guess conventional wisdom has gone out the window again! I just very rarely see flatheads with anything but stock or Offenhauser heads. Sorry for the mis-info!

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:06 pm

Paul Windisch wrote: Quote: Well, I wouldn't necessarily say WAY underpowered. Inch-for-inch, nearly the same power can be had out of a flathead.

Stock vs. stock is what I meant. The original flatheads only made about 85 hp. At the time they were extremely powerful though.

Quote: Not true. Vic Edelbrock Sr. was one of the pioneers of flathead hotrodding. A set of the old block-letter heads for a flattie is much rarer than an original set of Offy's. As far as repros go, Offy is no more expensive than Edelbrock. In fact, I saved about $150 buying Offy intake and heads instead of Edelbrock.

Looks like I learned something today. I guess conventional wisdom has gone out the window again! I just very rarely see flatheads with anything but stock or Offenhauser heads. Sorry for the mis-info!

8BA Yellowbeard has left The Rouge at 100 hp,highest car hp was the 110 horse application in the merc...I would have cc'ed the heads instead of shaving the pistons like Mopar did...wonder if he has any idea what the compression ratio of that engine is...betcha that engine runs hotter than a popcorn fart...

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:10 pm

Paul Windisch wrote: Stock vs. stock is what I meant. The original flatheads only made about 85 hp. At the time they were extremely powerful though.
True. When GM came out with the overhead-valve V8, it was all over for the flathead.
Paul Windisch wrote: I just very rarely see flatheads with anything but stock or Offenhauser heads.

That's cause Offy's look BOSS!!! Put 'em together with a pair of chromed Fentons and yer ride'll look downright BITCHIN'!!!

:lol:

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:12 pm

johnnypan wrote: 8BA Yellowbeard has left The Rouge at 100 hp,highest car hp was the 110 horse application in the merc...I would have cc'ed the heads instead of shaving the pistons like Mopar did...wonder if he has any idea what the compression ratio of that engine is...betcha that engine runs hotter than a popcorn fart...

...which is a fatal disease in a flattie. I looked at 4 'good' blocks before settling on the one I got.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:23 pm

NO NO NO we didnt machine the pistons, that would not be smart for that much material. We machined the combustion chamber.

You are correct about the year the flattie was introduced yellowbeard, I fat fingered the keyboard, I meant 30's

As far as running too hot, as long as the ignition timing is set correctly and you dont have any cracks between the valves and cylinders then there should be no reason to overheat. The ignition timing is the biggest factor in this, since the exhaust ports are basically tubes running through the water jackets, if you fire too late, its still burning in the tube and heats things up.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:28 pm

We figured the compression ratio to be around 8.5:1-9:1 which is still fine to run pump gas. This thing sounds really really nice and it has some scoot to it considering we are running a 3 speed behind it. Cooling is not an issue at all anymore, gets to 190 and stays put all day long.

You are correct again yellowbeard, Offy's can be had for a bit cheaper than Edelbrocks however the supply is not nearly as abundant. We went with Edelbrocks because the boss was headed down to Woodies on the Wharf in Sept. and we needed to get the car running. Offy's were the preference as they look nicer and would match the dual carb intake we have sitting on the shelf ready to go in after a 12V conversion. Can't fit a Generator on there with dual 97 Stromburgs lol!

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:31 pm

Yellowbeard wrote: johnnypan wrote: 8BA Yellowbeard has left The Rouge at 100 hp,highest car hp was the 110 horse application in the merc...I would have cc'ed the heads instead of shaving the pistons like Mopar did...wonder if he has any idea what the compression ratio of that engine is...betcha that engine runs hotter than a popcorn fart...

...which is a fatal disease in a flattie. I looked at 4 'good' blocks before settling on the one I got.

We went through 2 41's, a 21A and a 59A before we decided to just go with the only good 8BA we had left. Figured since it wasnt going to look right in the car built stock, might as well dress her up and make her go fast.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:49 pm

MoparFreak69 wrote: As far as running too hot, as long as the ignition timing is set correctly and you dont have any cracks between the valves and cylinders then there should be no reason to overheat.
...except for the design of the motor. That's why most flathead blocks have cracks between the valves and cylinder bores. Showroom-stock, the flathead had a tendency to run hot, and when it did, it cracked the very thin wall between the valve bore and cylinder bore.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:54 pm

MoparFreak69 wrote: We figured the compression ratio to be around 8.5:1-9:1 which is still fine to run pump gas.
If you didn't cc the heads, then you're guessing at the compression number. Especially with heads you altered the combustion chamber on.
MoparFreak69 wrote: Offy's can be had for a bit cheaper than Edelbrocks however the supply is not nearly as abundant.
The supply is abundantly abundant. Available brand-new, right off the shelf. To wit: New Offy heads at Flathead Jack's
MoparFreak69 wrote: Can't fit a Generator on there with dual 97 Stromburgs lol!

I went with a pair of Ford 94s. And a chebby 1-wire alternator.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:32 pm

Seems we kinda got way off Vdubs on this one huh? I will try to steer it back on course with a question.

Anybody know what the American name for Iberisch Rot is? My wife's uncle had a 1302 in Switzerland when she was a kid and that was the color. I havent been able to find what the American equivelant is.

WHY oh WHY do people take their cars to Maaco and such? Since when has rivets been an acceptable method of replacing quarter panels? I didnt see it when I bought the car because it was covered in 1/4" of seam sealer. Oh well, guess more work to do on it.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:00 pm

Iberian Red. This is the color on my 71.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:09 pm

MoparFreak69 wrote: WHY oh WHY do people take their cars to Maaco and such? Since when has rivets been an acceptable method of replacing quarter panels? I didnt see it when I bought the car because it was covered in 1/4" of seam sealer. Oh well, guess more work to do on it.

I'd like to be the first to say...

...That shit'll buff out!

Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:11 pm

Yellowbeard wrote: MoparFreak69 wrote: WHY oh WHY do people take their cars to Maaco and such? Since when has rivets been an acceptable method of replacing quarter panels? I didnt see it when I bought the car because it was covered in 1/4" of seam sealer. Oh well, guess more work to do on it.

I'd like to be the first to say...

...That shit'll buff out!

Yep, lemme just get my trusty 4" angle grinde......er buffer and get to it!
Think 2 shots of spit will do it or will it need 3?