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Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:37 am

Photoshopped. The opposite side front wheel is missing.

Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:26 am

SonicPenguin wrote: Photoshopped. The opposite side front wheel is missing.
no, The bumper is hanging down, covering what you can see of the wheel.

Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:41 pm

He was referring to the orange Bay at the beginning of the thread. :P

Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:49 pm

Maybe whoever removed the background got carried away.

Edit: Just noticed it has a 74+ slider door on it, definite bumper hack victim.

Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:23 pm

Pierre G wrote: I think I can see the raised centre for the new style badge on that orange bus nose... :? That's why I said '72 with brazilian nose skin.

jbbrown wrote: He was referring to the orange Bay at the beginning of the thread. :P

This thread is getting confusing, I was refering to the blue bus. You have got damn good eyesight Pierre, spotting that Brazilian nose on the orange one, I only noticed after you pointed it out.

As for the blue bus, still think late bay with a hacked early bay bumper.

Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:39 pm

busdaddy wrote:

Edit: Just noticed it has a 74+ slider door on it, definite bumper hack victim.

a 74 up door fits an early bus just fine. :wink:

Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:48 pm

oorwullie wrote: busdaddy wrote:

Edit: Just noticed it has a 74+ slider door on it, definite bumper hack victim.

a 74 up door fits an early bus just fine. :wink:

Well yeah, but black wipers, flared front fenders, brilliant orange, square engine scoops, etc...... all say 73+ to me, except for the bumper that's a later bus IMO.

Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:29 pm

Good call on the rolled lip on the front wheel wells.

Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:05 am

Looking at some more pics of the blue bus I make you all right, looks like true crossovers are low indicator front ends and this is a early bumper grafted on. Shame - I quite liked the look of an early bumper on a late front end 8)

Apologies for leading you all up the garden path ...

Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:32 am

WestyPop wrote: The front panel itself may very well be original, but there's always someone trying to hack/mount an early bay bumper onto a 73-up bay. My bet is that's the case here, especially since it looks a bit lop-sided.

IMO there has to be a way to modify/fabricate the early bay bumper mounts so that it looks more-or-less 'not-OG-but-alright' when mounted in front of the late bay front end & reinforcement member, at least from a casual observation by most non-stock nazis. (seems like it could be an interesting challenge) My vote is that this guy got close, say 80-85% of 'passable'.

Hey, it could have been worse... p.o. could have painted it to try & make it appear like a splitty! Ugh. Or just as fugly: a VW-ish mod kit on a Suzuki micro-van. (Those always kinda remind me of the outcome/offspring of when my 200Lb St.Bernard mated with a neighbor's female Basset that wandered into our yard... all the markings were there, but the... uhhh, proportions were quite a bit off!)

I agree. That bumper looks way out of place, and hacked.

Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:36 am

Thanks guys, going back to my original query, here's a pic of the van in question. Being sold as a 1973 model , but tax exempt in UK so therefore manufactured in 1972.
The owner tells me that the front end has been replaced, so most probable that it has a later front end as the early front ends are not available ? It looks to have been done well, and I don't mind how it looks, so the only question really left is whether it will affect the value?
Cheers, Taffy

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/619279.gif

Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:47 am

Well the VIN is always the final answer. As to the wrong bumper or nose skin effecting the value? All depends on what you are after, it seems to be a popular hack over there so it's likely to appeal to other buyers for now anyways, 20 years from now when everyone comes to thier senses may be a whole different story and nobody will want it.

Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:57 pm

The nerd in me is bursting out :?

I call the orange bus in the ad as a 73 bus with a brazilian front panel. Crossover models may be rare in the states but seem to be pretty commen over here. The first changes were the disc brakes, air vents, rear lights (same panel) and the wheelarch lips hence one year only front wheelarchs (71-72) used on buses with early bumpers and flared arches, don't believe me? Its mentioned on this product http://www.justkampers.com/shop/type_2_bay/type-2-...11074.html

Theres a 73 in my village with early bumpers and high indicators etc, thats got a flat front panel (not brazilian) and probably started like that.

Theres quite a lot of natter about this on a new site called www.thelatebay.com 8)

Fri May 07, 2010 2:11 pm

I stumbled on this camper on eBay, it's listing has now ended (its the actual bus we were debating):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180500004415&ih=008&category=18303

I recalled this thread where we debated this van a few months ago.

Well here is the definitive answer and closure to this thread. It's a 1978 Devon Camper, and if you take a look at the questions at the bottom of the page, the owner says the early bay bumper was fitted in 2001 basically because he liked the look of the older bumpers.

Fri May 07, 2010 3:57 pm

I'd say just about everything in the orange bus ad is photoshopped in. The guy doesn't even look like he's leaning on a bus. It's probably taken form 4 or 5 different pictures of different busses.