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Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:11 pm

I have an engine sitting around that i think is from a late modle beetle. The code on the engine is H 5458425. I looked through the engine codes here on the samba and couldnt find it. Anyone know?

Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:48 pm

H is a 66 - 70 1500 single port. I am pretty sure.

H 32 Kw 44 cv. 1493cc 8/66 > 7/70

Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:28 pm

Technical --> VIN NUmbers -->Type1

You'll find it in the late 60s section.

M

Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:44 pm

Volkswagen Type 2

Code: Year: Engine:
Numerals 1961-1963 1200 (see Type 1 listings)
O 1964 1500 (no cam bearings)
H 1965 1500
HO 1966-1967 1500 (no crossmember holes)
B5 1968-1969 1600 (single relief)
AE 1971 1600 (with crossmember holes)
CB 1972-1973 1700 (dual carb, manual trans)
CD 1973 1700 (dual carb, auto trans)
AW 1973-1974 1800 (dual carb)
AW 1975 1800 (fuel-injected)
ED 1975 2000
GD 1976-1979 2000 ('79 has Vanagon heads)
GE 1979 2000 (California only, Vanagon heads)
CV 1980-1983 2000 (Vanagon -- unique case and heads)

Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:04 am

This is NOT an H engine. This is NOT a type 2 engine.

This is an 'H5' engine. There doesn't appear to have ever been an H engine with a serial number beginning with '5'. (Check my work if you wish, but I can't find one.)

Ergo, this is (note the spacing) an H5 458425 engine. And that places it as a 44hp 1500 USA/Canada market engine from 08/1968-12/1968.

M

Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm

ok, thanks. Thats all i needed.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:57 pm

Well, the initial post showed a space between the H and the 5.
I can tell you that cases like that do exist because I have one.
Somewhere there is a thread that I started trying to find out what year the case was and what it was from.
My exact case stamping is as follows.
VW Logo followed by H 5157319 There is a defiinate space between the H and the 5.
I would consider that an H case, not an H5 case.
Just some food for thought.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:22 pm

volksjunky41 wrote: I looked through the engine codes here on the samba and couldnt find it.

The data for the H5 series is limited compared to some of the others in the late 60s, but it IS there. On this page: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php, go down to 1968, and you'll find a column that says 1500 M147. The M147 is the factory build-code for US-spec engines at that time. I'd place that engine as being Late August or early Sept 1968.

-Andy

Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:15 pm

Thanks Andy. :)

I believe that was exactly what I was trying to get across.

M

Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:33 pm

Yeah, you did! :D I was mostly addressing his not being able to find it be pointing out it's location on the charts precisely.
-Andy

Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:53 pm

:wink:

Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:16 pm

glutamodo wrote: volksjunky41 wrote: I looked through the engine codes here on the samba and couldnt find it.

The data for the H5 series is limited compared to some of the others in the late 60s, but it IS there. On this page: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php, go down to 1968, and you'll find a column that says 1500 M147. The M147 is the factory build-code for US-spec engines at that time. I'd place that engine as being Late August or early Sept 1968.

-Andy
Link did not work for me. Did not seem o be able to find the page by going directly.
So, what is this case from?
H space 5157319 ( H 5157319 )

Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:17 am

The link is good, but I typed a comma at the end of it, that killed it.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php

That one is from earlier in the 1968 model year, probably December 1967 or so.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:55 pm

I just bought a 72 standard beetle and looking it over. Someone told me where to find the engine number and even sent a picture to help me. However my engine does not show a number even after degreasing the engine which didn't appear dirty and scrubbing the snot out of it. Its just bright shiny smooth metal. It appears the generator mount has been replaced, as it looks like chrome and definitely has nothing stamped it in either. I was able to identify the carb as a SOLEX 30 PICT-3. I'm new to VW and don't know much yet. Any ideas how I can ID the engine if it has no numbers? By the way, I tried to search the forums but it keeps giving me an error, sorry if this information was already available. Any ideas greatly appreciated..

Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:19 pm

mdpry wrote: However my engine does not show a number even after degreasing the engine which didn't appear dirty and scrubbing the snot out of it. Its just bright shiny smooth metal. ..

Could be a replacement case. The material of the engine block, however, is not really shiny. Here's an old photo I found of a German replacement block without any serial number on it:

You might find German, Brazillian or Mexican replacement blocks. For the latter two, you can look for a country of origin stamp underneath the pushrod tubes on the side of the block:

Mexican:

Brazillian:

Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:02 am

Thanks a lot! I'll look in those places to see if I can find a number. Here's the pic of where the number normally is. It wasn't shiny until I scrubbed and brushed it. I have a feeling you are right and it will be another country. I found one item that said made in Brazil on the part. (to the left of the gen mount below what looks like the fuel pump?)

http://www.mycitycable.com/~bluesky/file/EngineNoNumber.jpg

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Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:34 pm

Looks like mine might be a replacement case.. Mine has numbers on both sides of the engine under the push rod tubes with these numbers..

Left side (drivers) 27 (VW symbol) 000.101.101 D
Right side (passgr) 40 (VW symbol) 000.101.102 B

Any idea how I can ID my engine? The generator mount and below it are blank.

Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:55 pm

with no mexico or brazil stamp underneath, yeah probably a german replacement.

Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:40 pm

Know of any way to ID the engine for year and size? Not sure how to determine what parts it needs.

Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:15 pm

Well, if it's not dual port, you can tell if it's 40HP or the newer style by looking at the manfiold: