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Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:55 pm

I have a 1974 Super Beetle and the engine is seized..
What I am wondering is if I buy an engine meant for standard trans.. can I swap it over to work with my autostick trans?

I did a lot of searching on the forum and only came up with this post... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=283530&highlight=autostick
Its about swaping an A/S engine over to standard... So can I just do this but in reverse? As in take the parts off my seized engine and install them onto the new one?
any help would be appreciated..

Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:06 pm

The biggest gotcha you have to be concerned with is the cam-plug...open-end towards flywheel...

...many people put it open end in on non-autostick engines - why I don't think I'll ever understand :lol:

EDIT: It would be wise to pull your oil pump to see if it's for a flat 3-rivet/dished 4-rivet cam before purchasing another engine.

If it's got the correct oil pump for `74 you'll need to obtain an engine with a dished cam...

If you went ahead and got a flat rivet cam'd engine you'll have to obtain a `70-`71 1/2 only A/S pump.

Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:12 pm

Hiya Chris,

Chris Vellat wrote: The biggest gotcha you have to be concerned with is the cam-plug...open-end towards flywheel...

That's a "Gotcha!" Flywheel?

But the intent of your statement is a good one. The open end of the cam plug definitely needs to be oriented away from the cam itself and toward the flexplate. Most manual drivers just don't understand that there is precious little space between that revolving flexplate and case cam plug position.

Quote: ...many people put it open end in on non-autostick engines - why I don't think I'll ever understand :lol:

Yeah, that is a bit of a puzzlement, isn't it. I orient the cam plug as described above when I build a manual specific engine. No problemo. I'm guessing that folks install it the "other way" simply because that's the orientation they are used to.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:29 am

Chris Vellat wrote:
If it's got the correct oil pump for `74 you'll need to obtain an engine with a dished cam...

If you went ahead and got a flat rivet cam'd engine you'll have to obtain a `70-`71 1/2 only A/S pump.

I can guarentee my engine came from the factory in my Bug.. So it should be the correct pump for '74.

But the engine I found is for sale right now.. and I dont want to lose out on it by tearing apart my engine first for the answer on that.. So is it possible to just buy the right pump for the engine I'm hoping to get?

Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:23 pm

Hiya soul,

soulpanic wrote: So is it possible to just buy the right pump for the engine I'm hoping to get?

Well, yes and no.

If you have your sights set on buying an appropriate NOS AutoStick oil/ATF pump, that's not likely to happen. There are probably a few of those beasts around but I don't think anybody is selling.

On the other hand, finding a used pump shouldn't be all that difficult. But it can be a little tricky. That's because the pump cover didn't change, but the oil pump innards did. In other words, all AutoStick oil/ATF pumps will have 113 115 233A stamped on that front cover. But the oil pump portion of the unit did change. On my shelf right now I have a couple of 113 115 109A oil pumps and a 113 115 109B oil pump.

All of this being a very long winded way of saying chack out the numbers on the pump, not the pump cover.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:36 pm

Good point Bookwus. I have run into that with my wife's Audi as well. The part number stamped on the part is not always the assembly part number. The number stamped on the pump cover is probably the part number for that specific part (ie: the pump covers part number).

Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:39 pm

Hiya Mopar,

MoparFreak69 wrote: .........The number stamped on the pump cover is probably the part number for that specific part (ie: the pump covers part number).

Exactly so.

Since VW never saw the need to change the ATF side of the oil/ATF pump there was no need to change that outside cover. So, that number (the cover part number as Mopar points out) remained the same for all AutoStick applcations.