TheSamba.com :: View topic - 17" Fuch replica's on CIP1? CIP1 MWS WHEELS

Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:15 pm

Bub wrote: I bought a pair of the MSW 17's from CIP1.
A couple things- while they're a Fuch's 'repro" they are in no way a really good duplicate. I don't think you'd run a mix of these and OEM Fuchs. They just would NOT look the same to anyone who'd know.
A good wheel, seems made well enough for what most people want them for.
I have a couple different kinds OEM of center caps, and the closest fit is the late ring-clip style that has the beveled edge. And those actually fit INSIDE the center cap recess just snugly and are flush w/ the wheel surface.
A couple things I found w/ CIP's system though- they're descriptions of products suck ass.
The wheels you get may require any RANDOM hardware. The 15x5.5's use ball seat (NOT as advertised), the 17's use 60* cone.
A " 14mm" hardware set for these wheels is actually adapter studs w/ a 1/2x20 nut. Next time I order something like this I'll call ahead to avoid some hassle.

Man... How you gonna take that thing up Badger Mtn. now!!! :lol: Looks good!

Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:32 am

A buddy just put a set of the full chrome MWS one's, on his pick-up..........

Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:09 am

Iozzio wrote: The 17" wheels you are talking about from CIP1 are not a fully forged, custom built, custom offset wheel built to your specs and bolt pattern. They are also not available in an 8" and 10" version. They also do not offer narrowed versions to fit the Nankang 165/40/17 tire. There is a reason these cost more

Not to mention crap!!!

Guys - I wouldn't want anyone to buy a set of these without some background info on MWS.
Have a search on the SSVC or VZi forums and there are lots of threads about their wheels and most of them are bad.
The quality is rubbish, you might fair better in Cali with your climate but if you take them out of the box in the UK then the laquer will peel within a couple of weeks and the chrome will pit shortly after (and as that starts to flake away please check your wheel nuts for tightness)
I've seen ones arrive with people with cracks you wouldn't believe.
I've heard of tyres losing pressure because they are porous (or cracked)
I've en stud holes drilled so obviously out of allignment that it just isn't funny.
Not that it makes much odds to you guys as you have Cip1 to supply them but MWS are renowned for poor customer service and sending out incorrect bolts that end up damaging brake components as they are to long (not to mention dangerous).

I have no axe to grind against MWS I am just passing on the benifit of reading loads of threads about them and I should also point out that I have never seen up close or fitted a set of these wheels so you may regard what I'm saying as irreleant and useless - your choice.

If you just want a set of good looking wheels to bolt on a show car that never see's rain and is only driven a few time a year then knock yerself out!
If you cruise around at or below the speed limit and never push your car or have a Hi-Po motor then knock yerself out!
If you're a cheapskate then knock yerself out.

I would not run these on a performance vehicle of any kind, in fact I personally wouldn't p**s on a set if they were on fire but you pays your money, you takes your choice.

We had a guy here in the UK who was well known for some of the quotes that he wrote back in the 1800's, not very current I grant you but relevant to this thread- here is one that not only applies to these wheels but to anything you can buy

"It's unwise to pay too much but it's unwise to pay too little.

When you pay too much you lose a little money, that is all.

When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything,

because the thing you bought was incapable

of doing the thing you bought it to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits

paying a little and getting a lot.

It can't be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder,

it's well to add something for the risk you run.

And if you do that,

you will have enough to pay for something better!"

Be informed, be safe...

Orb

Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:24 pm

orb666 wrote: Iozzio wrote: The 17" wheels you are talking about from CIP1 are not a fully forged, custom built, custom offset wheel built to your specs and bolt pattern. They are also not available in an 8" and 10" version. They also do not offer narrowed versions to fit the Nankang 165/40/17 tire. There is a reason these cost more

If you just want a set of good looking wheels to bolt on a show car that never see's rain and is only driven a few time a year then knock yerself out!

I would not run these on a performance vehicle of any kind, in fact I personally wouldn't p**s on a set if they were on fire but you pays your money, you takes your choice.

Orb

Orb- I don't agree 100% with you, but I suspect you're not too far off the truth. They're fine wheels for what most people are going to need/ use them for. An occasional driver / custom show car.
MOST of the wheels Flat4/ Empi/ MWS build are marginal and probably NOT safe for anything but light/ occasional use~ Which is what most restored / custom VW's are.
So I think they've succeeded in making a product that meets it's expectations. Long term Finish quality/ durability isn't something I can comment on since I've only had them a short time. But out of the box they look pretty decent with no outstanding flaws- not perfect. We'll see in a few months how they hold up for those who buy them.
Again, consider the price of $160 bucks per wheel for a 17" alloy.
WTF do you expect?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:00 pm

orb666 wrote: Iozzio wrote: The 17" wheels you are talking about from CIP1 are not a fully forged, custom built, custom offset wheel built to your specs and bolt pattern. They are also not available in an 8" and 10" version. They also do not offer narrowed versions to fit the Nankang 165/40/17 tire. There is a reason these cost more

Not to mention crap!!!

Guys - I wouldn't want anyone to buy a set of these without some background info on MWS.
Have a search on the SSVC or VZi forums and there are lots of threads about their wheels and most of them are bad.
The quality is rubbish, you might fair better in Cali with your climate but if you take them out of the box in the UK then the laquer will peel within a couple of weeks and the chrome will pit shortly after (and as that starts to flake away please check your wheel nuts for tightness)
I've seen ones arrive with people with cracks you wouldn't believe.
I've heard of tyres losing pressure because they are porous (or cracked)
I've en stud holes drilled so obviously out of allignment that it just isn't funny.
Not that it makes much odds to you guys as you have Cip1 to supply them but MWS are renowned for poor customer service and sending out incorrect bolts that end up damaging brake components as they are to long (not to mention dangerous).

I have no axe to grind against MWS I am just passing on the benifit of reading loads of threads about them and I should also point out that I have never seen up close or fitted a set of these wheels so you may regard what I'm saying as irreleant and useless - your choice.

If you just want a set of good looking wheels to bolt on a show car that never see's rain and is only driven a few time a year then knock yerself out!
If you cruise around at or below the speed limit and never push your car or have a Hi-Po motor then knock yerself out!
If you're a cheapskate then knock yerself out.

I would not run these on a performance vehicle of any kind, in fact I personally wouldn't p**s on a set if they were on fire but you pays your money, you takes your choice.

We had a guy here in the UK who was well known for some of the quotes that he wrote back in the 1800's, not very current I grant you but relevant to this thread- here is one that not only applies to these wheels but to anything you can buy

"It's unwise to pay too much but it's unwise to pay too little.

When you pay too much you lose a little money, that is all.

When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything,

because the thing you bought was incapable

of doing the thing you bought it to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits

paying a little and getting a lot.

It can't be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder,

it's well to add something for the risk you run.

And if you do that,

you will have enough to pay for something better!"

Be informed, be safe...

Orb Youve never seen a set up close but you post this? NO ONE is saying mws wheels are anywhere near the quality of Iozzio's. Ive owned MWS BRM's, and Flatfour and all I can say is the finish on the MWS is FAR superior to the flat 4's. As for build quality, I have no idea, other than saying no problems for an occasional driver (not daily) like Bub said. I dont doubt some bad feedback, as you have obviously done some research, but Ive had zero problems with my mws wheels (4 years old), and suspect they work just fine for what they will be used for most of the time.

Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:01 pm

Man I love that truck! Is it on air or static? How low is it? I have the black '60 ragtop a couple of pages back, little fella 1" RLR trans lift is in, fabing changes to the exhaust, then I'll post pics. :D

Thu May 27, 2010 5:17 pm

ordered a polished set for my 60 ragtop. in a week or so i will know how they look.

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:27 am

worked out ok for me so far, finish is good.

Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:01 am

got my wheels. thought they looked good. put new tires on them and stacked them in the corner until i get time to work on the car

Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:28 am

Does anyone know if the advertised "5.5 inch backspacing" is accurate for these wheels? And how does that translate to an 'et' number? At 5.5 inches, wouldn't that leave 1.5 inches from the mounting surface to the outside edge of the rim? Somehow, I feel that I've misunderstood something about wheel dimensions and 'actual' wheel dimensions. Pictures including a measuring tape and one of these wheels would do wonders for clarity's sake.

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:30 pm

Funny how the OEM wheels on my Bus look the same as they did 39 years ago. Wonder how these Chinese wheels will hold up. I doubt 39 years, I doubt 39 months.

Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:46 pm

chabanais wrote: Funny how the OEM wheels on my Bus look the same as they did 39 years ago. Wonder how these Chinese wheels will hold up. I doubt 39 years, I doubt 39 months.

Show us 39 year old bus wheels that look the same as the day they left the showroom floor. Please. :lol:

Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:22 pm

A little dirty but that's it (and it's 38 years old):

Regarding Chinese wheels:

There are so many automotive products coming in from China that American safety officials can’t keep track of them, said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety.

Mr. Ditlow said his review convinces him that too many Chinese companies are unfamiliar with — or don’t care about — safety standards in the United States and thus don’t meet them.

For consumers, that means automotive equipment made in China is less likely to comply with safety standards than the same product made in the United States, Mr. Ditlow said.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/recalls-of-chinese-auto-parts-are-a-mounting-concern/

The agency has also received reports of Chinese engine fuses that could spark an electrical fire, windshield glass that could shatter into large shards and poorly welded wheel rims that could separate from the wheels at highway speeds. All those parts have been recalled, along with 2 million potentially defective rubber valve stems, after a deadly accident traced to this tiny part. “It’s a growing problem,” says Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, a consulting firm that investigates auto accidents.

http://www.smartmoney.com/spending/autos/are-chinese-car-parts-safe/

aircooledmark wrote: chabanais wrote: Funny how the OEM wheels on my Bus look the same as they did 39 years ago. Wonder how these Chinese wheels will hold up. I doubt 39 years, I doubt 39 months.

Show us 39 year old bus wheels that look the same as the day they left the showroom floor. Please. :lol:

Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:47 am

chabanais wrote: A little dirty but that's it (and it's 38 years old):

That photo is from an ad. Not posted by you. So you've most likely never seen those wheels in person, and cannot testify as to the condition. Photos hide a lot!

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1016398

Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:56 pm

My wheels look the same and I can promise they look just fine... even brand new after a wash.

Next.

Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:47 am

aircooledmark wrote: chabanais wrote: A little dirty but that's it (and it's 38 years old):

That photo is from an ad. Not posted by you. So you've most likely never seen those wheels in person, and cannot testify as to the condition. Photos hide a lot!

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1016398

sweet wheels! do they come in 17"?

Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:24 pm

Before I buy these wheels I need some advice if they will fit the rear of my 67 vert. I have it lowered 2.75 inches in the rear,,will the 17x7 fit with 205/40/17 without rubbing. The car does have the long axel setup.

Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:55 pm

orb666 wrote: The quality is rubbish, you might fair better in Cali with your climate but if you take them out of the box in the UK then the laquer will peel within a couple of weeks and the chrome will pit shortly after (and as that starts to flake away please check your wheel nuts for tightness)

and I should also point out that I have never seen up close or fitted a set of these wheels so you may regard what I'm saying as irreleant and useless - your choice.

Be informed, be safe...

Orb

Wow what a load of bulls"#t. I have experience on several MWS sets in use here in Finland and we've had no trouble with them. And I'm talking about the company and the wheels here.

Have seen some other repros too and they look the same to me, can't really say which are better quality. If you pay less for a repro you can't expect better than the original.

And you should really see a set before posting anything...