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Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:33 am

Anyone done this I haven,t seen many people doing it but I saw one advertised in volsworld?Thanks Craig

Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:55 am

this guy does it all the time.
http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/

are you talking about a big T4 engine or a porsche flat 6?

Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:08 pm

Type 4 i,d like a raby but its out of my league the company i called in the UK said 2.4 heads were around $375 then you have the pistons and cylinders which they get from over here somewhere that price was for a new head which i didn,t think was a bad price

Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:54 pm

The heads are fairly cheap as you just cut them for the 103mm cylinders. I have a set of 103 Nikkies I might sell if you want them. I was gonna make a 2.4L but plans have changed.....

Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:03 pm

ukdj wrote: haven,t i,d didn,t

Dude, ever heard of an apostrophe?? Those are commas.

haven't
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:54 pm

Yes i know they are so sorry!

Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:36 am

VDubTech wrote: ukdj wrote: haven,t i,d didn,t

Dude, ever heard of an apostrophe?? Those are commas.

haven't
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didn't

:roll:
He s not from around here, still learning the english language! Well non-proper english I guess!!

hey Craig, got a heater in the pool for your b-day party yet??

Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:48 am

according to that site, these massIVe engines perform better (as in more top speed, lower head temps) and get better mileage. So...why doesn't everyone have one of these in their bay?

Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:50 am

oldeschoolbus wrote: according to that site, these massIVe engines perform better (as in more top speed, lower head temps) and get better mileage. So...why doesn't everyone have one of these in their bay?

Did you happen to see the price tag on one of those engines?

Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:50 am

lower head temps for the application I would assume, not all of those are appropriate for a bay. I would think. I can never telll which engines are meant for what on that site, I just drool over the torque curves then go back to my hundred dollar rebuilds.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:00 am

oldeschoolbus wrote: according to that site, these massIVe engines perform better (as in more top speed, lower head temps) and get better mileage. So...why doesn't everyone have one of these in their bay?

And its true, ask anyone who owns one...

Yes it costs just like anything else thats effective. Its also not comprised of Chinese parts.

Not every bay or it's owner has the desire to drive their bus like a modern vehicle. Being able to keep up with traffic on the interstate, not having to down shift for every bump in the road, etc. Doing all this with head temps that AVERAGE 50-100 degrees less under the same loads than a stock engine just doesn't appeal to everyone.

To some people their Bus is worth it. To others they'd rather keep patching their engines up with parts that should have been thrown away 20 years ago.

The number of people who appreciate their Bus enough to give it the engine that it needs has grown, thats because a new breed of Bus owner has emerged in the past 4-5 years.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:35 am

Jake Raby wrote: And its true, ask anyone who owns one...

Yes it costs just like anything else thats effective. Its also not comprised of Chinese parts.

Not every bay or it's owner has the desire to drive their bus like a modern vehicle. Being able to keep up with traffic on the interstate, not having to down shift for every bump in the road, etc. Doing all this with head temps that AVERAGE 50-100 degrees less under the same loads than a stock engine just doesn't appeal to everyone.

To some people their Bus is worth it. To others they'd rather keep patching their engines up with parts that should have been thrown away 20 years ago.

The number of people who appreciate their Bus enough to give it the engine that it needs has grown, thats because a new breed of Bus owner has emerged in the past 4-5 years.

Normally I appreciated you taking time to participate in the forums and educate people about your product.

However, this is some of the most ridiculous, smug garbage you've ever written.

Do you honestly believe what you wrote? Do you really, truly think people don't want those benefits that you're describing?

Did you take time to think that not everyone can afford your engines, or that not everyone can afford to make such a purchase in a down economy? Some of us also have priorities, such as saving for starting a family, rather than treating myself to a new engine.

This is a great way to show disrespect for people like me, who *were* keeping your business in mind for when the time came to buy another engine.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:13 pm

not quite gonna go^there^but if i could afford one i'd drop for a raby in a heartbeat.

"cool" factor is not the reason i drive 40 year old vehicles that i can maintain myself and are paid for.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:23 pm

Now if Mr Raby offered a 2.4 for the Bus, with maybe a mild cam, some CR and having the inherent torque come from some stroke, then Ooo la la... :D

Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:07 pm

RIOMX wrote: Jake Raby wrote: And its true, ask anyone who owns one...

Yes it costs just like anything else thats effective. Its also not comprised of Chinese parts.

Not every bay or it's owner has the desire to drive their bus like a modern vehicle. Being able to keep up with traffic on the interstate, not having to down shift for every bump in the road, etc. Doing all this with head temps that AVERAGE 50-100 degrees less under the same loads than a stock engine just doesn't appeal to everyone.

To some people their Bus is worth it. To others they'd rather keep patching their engines up with parts that should have been thrown away 20 years ago.

The number of people who appreciate their Bus enough to give it the engine that it needs has grown, thats because a new breed of Bus owner has emerged in the past 4-5 years.

Normally I appreciated you taking time to participate in the forums and educate people about your product.

However, this is some of the most ridiculous, smug garbage you've ever written.

Do you honestly believe what you wrote? Do you really, truly think people don't want those benefits that you're describing?

Did you take time to think that not everyone can afford your engines, or that not everyone can afford to make such a purchase in a down economy? Some of us also have priorities, such as saving for starting a family, rather than treating myself to a new engine.

This is a great way to show disrespect for people like me, who *were* keeping your business in mind for when the time came to buy another engine.

Huh?

I still have a 2.4L in the back of my mind to do "if" I start making some money and have some time to do it. With Nikkies as cylinders, I think that would control the extra heat generated.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:16 pm

The stock engine in a bus is more than enough to get you from place to place in today's traffic. The VW bus is a brick, not a fucking race car. It's not supposed to be fast.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:39 pm

maximan1 wrote: The stock engine in a bus is more than enough to get you from place to place in today's traffic. The VW bus is a brick, not a fucking race car. It's not supposed to be fast.

yeah but I think the intention of the bigger engine is to be more like driving a modern car. You don't have to worry about engine temperatures and you have more power for going up hills. And you can hardly argue that a stock 1600dp in an early bay isn't a wee bit underpowered.

Quote: The number of people who appreciate their Bus enough to give it the engine that it needs has grown

um...no, that's not at all what's happened. I'm pretty sure more people buying your engines has nothing to do with how much people care about their vehicles.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:01 pm

My Camper Special powers my bus like a "modern car."

Plus it was fun to build. What more could anyone ask for?

Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:27 pm

oldeschoolbus wrote: [

yeah but I think the intention of the bigger engine is to be more like driving a modern car. You don't have to worry about engine temperatures and you have more power for going up hills. And you can hardly argue that a stock 1600dp in an early bay isn't a wee bit underpowered.

The early bay engine is underpowered, but I was talking about the Type 4.
A bus is not a modern car. It is a 30 year old brick on wheels. If you want to have a car that drives like a modern car, buy an effing Civic or some other crap. A properly running Type 4 will have enough power to go up hills.

And big deal about the engine running cooler. I do believe it runs perfectly fine without an overpriced power boost from Jake Raby. I'm not ragging on the quality of your kit, or the performance gains it may attribute to, but the stock engine is enough to push a bus around. A bus is NOT, whatever you may modify on it, a modern car. Nor will it ever be.

If the engine was so faulty, how did people live with it for 30+ years? I mean, Volkswagens were never fast. They were never designed for speed. The original cooling system worked well enough. I'm sure that Raby's kit can improve all these things, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:42 pm

Quote: If you want to have a car that drives like a modern car, buy an effing Civic or some other crap.

some people want to have a bitchin' ride AND have modern power...and coincodently they have very large wallets!

Quote: I'm not ragging on the quality of your kit

I don't have a raby kit...I actually don't even own bus, but thanks for assuming such things ;)

Quote: A bus is NOT, whatever you may modify on it, a modern car. Nor will it ever be.

In all fairness, a bus is whatever you want it to be. You can absolutely spend lots of money and get power locks, power windows, cruise control, a modern engine, a backup camera, and a hi-fi stereo in a 30-40 year old volkswagon bus. I've seen numerious threads of people doing each of these things to their vehicle to cator to their needs. I'm not bashing anyone keeping stock nor anyone modifying their ride, but keep an open mind and to each his own.

Quote: If the engine was so faulty, how did people live with it for 30+ years?

I never claimed this at all. I simply said that a larger engine would reduce engine temps. And it's fact that driving for extended periods of time at highway speeds (upwords 70) can cause engines to overheat, seize and cause dropped valve seats. If you drive sensibly and maintain your engine, yes, a stock type IV is great and will run properly.

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