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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:39 am

Ive got this VE4 BRS 383 distributor that im trying to clean up a bit before I sell it.

All the ones ive seen have a rubber 'O' ring on the shaft, & as you can see this one doesnt :?:

Any ideas as to why & what year it is please ?

thanks everyone :)

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:43 am

The early ones didn't have the o-ring.

Look for a date code like this:

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:47 am

Glenn wrote: The early ones didn't have the o-ring.

Look for a date code like this:

ahh I see, ill look for a date code...many thanks

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:50 am

It looks in nice shape and I suggest you do not try to clean it up. Leave it for the buyer, they might want the old patina or they might want it restored.

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:53 am

This is from the original German version of the s.c. progressive refinements:
From 17 Sept 1952 both flat and wire type clips used (flat only earlier)
From 13 Nov 1952 O-ring

Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:57 am

Ok, heres the date stamp.....it looks like 1E

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:00 am

1E = January 1949

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:05 am

Glenn wrote: 1E = January 1949

many many thanks :D

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:30 am

HeSa wrote: This is from the original German version of the s.c. progressive refinements:
From 17 Sept 1952 both flat and wire type clips used (flat only earlier)
From 13 Nov 1952 O-ring

Yet another reference proving that wire clips were not used on splits (Ok, maybe 2 weeks of pre-zwitters). Still there are "the blind that cannot see...."

:lol:

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:38 am

johnshenry wrote: Yet another reference proving that wire clips were not used on splits (Ok, maybe 2 weeks of pre-zwitters). Still there are "the blind that cannot see...."

:lol:
Can I get a AMEN?

I'm pretty sure these are the original clips.

And the body does have the o-ring.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:19 pm

johnshenry wrote: HeSa wrote: This is from the original German version of the s.c. progressive refinements:
From 17 Sept 1952 both flat and wire type clips used (flat only earlier)
From 13 Nov 1952 O-ring

Yet another reference proving that wire clips were not used on splits (Ok, maybe 2 weeks of pre-zwitters). Still there are "the blind that cannot see...."

:lol:

In reading the P.R., it usually states what's new first and then what was already being used second.
So NEIN!

Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:30 pm

Suboval wrote: johnshenry wrote: HeSa wrote: This is from the original German version of the s.c. progressive refinements:
From 17 Sept 1952 both flat and wire type clips used (flat only earlier)
From 13 Nov 1952 O-ring

Yet another reference proving that wire clips were not used on splits (Ok, maybe 2 weeks of pre-zwitters). Still there are "the blind that cannot see...."

:lol:

In reading the P.R., it usually states what's new first and then what was already being used second.
So NEIN!

So band clamps were PR'ed as "new" in Sept '52, but shown in every '50 and '51 VW publication? How could that be???

Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:32 pm

Glenn wrote: johnshenry wrote: Yet another reference proving that wire clips were not used on splits (Ok, maybe 2 weeks of pre-zwitters). Still there are "the blind that cannot see...."

:lol:
Can I get a AMEN?

I'm pretty sure these are the original clips.

And the body does have the o-ring.

What is the date code on that one Glenn???

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:11 pm

johnshenry wrote: What is the date code on that one Glenn???
2000BC

Honestly... i never looked, and it does have an o-ring.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:17 pm

What is the Q here?

The flat band clips (Federband) can be seen in Typ166, Typ82/82E, 1945, 1946, 1949, 1951, Zwitter, 1953 Bus parts books so they are obviously early.

1954 Industrial engine part book is the first I own that shows the wire clips (Federdraht). Also all the VEK 4 BS 343 T distributors and non-o-ring 383s I´ve had have been with the band clips (Federband).

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:17 pm

Just curious. O-ring and wire clips jives with PR (and no O-ring and wire clips for date codes 9-11H).

Just interesting to collect data points as these distributors are examined.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:42 pm

Yes I know your interest in empirical archeology John. Just did not get the point of the NEINer above.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:47 pm

HeSa wrote: Yes I know your interest in empirical archeology John. Just did not get the point of the NEINer above.

johnshenry wrote: Just curious. O-ring and wire clips jives with PR (and no O-ring and wire clips for date codes 9-11H).

Just interesting to collect data points as these distributors are examined.

Then let's not "forget" all of the information that has been presented in the previous Threads, E.G.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:55 pm

Suboval wrote: HeSa wrote: Yes I know your interest in empirical archeology John. Just did not get the point of the NEINer above.

johnshenry wrote: Just curious. O-ring and wire clips jives with PR (and no O-ring and wire clips for date codes 9-11H).

Just interesting to collect data points as these distributors are examined.

Then let's not "forget" all of the information that has been presented in the previous Threads, E.G.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Yeah, I actually reviewed that one Kurt. And this PR entry is mentioned near the end to bolster the postion. Still no pre-zwitter VW publications showing wire clips on a split however, which was my original point..

Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:15 pm

johnshenry wrote: Suboval wrote: HeSa wrote: Yes I know your interest in empirical archeology John. Just did not get the point of the NEINer above.

johnshenry wrote: Just curious. O-ring and wire clips jives with PR (and no O-ring and wire clips for date codes 9-11H).

Just interesting to collect data points as these distributors are examined.

Then let's not "forget" all of the information that has been presented in the previous Threads, E.G.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=373409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Yeah, I actually reviewed that one Kurt. And this PR entry is mentioned near the end to bolster the postion. Still no pre-zwitter VW publications showing wire clips on a split however, which was my original point..

Yes, the P.R. was mentioned and no it didn't bolster the band position. It was cautioned to take the P.R. with a grain of salt.

Ed and Glenn stated their own hands on experience - as well as others.

Everett stated some documentation - which was questioned.

The end result is that there were multiple suppliers of parts and VW used whatever was in the parts bin until it was used up.