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Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:46 am

I bought my first VW, a 69 baja bug last april.

More importantly, I bought a Squareback in nov for $100 and its been sitting in my friends field since then. Just cleaned up the garage some and moved the pool table to the living room and the drum set to my room. Now I can get it out of that muddy field and in to the garage.

It came with no engine.
I bought one today!
Mostly Complete. Missing dizzy and carbs and a few other things.

So what I need to know is will this engine that I just bought which the owner said was either a 64 or 68 or sometime in that era, I dont remember, but will that engine fit in my 71 automatic squareback? I can do fab work to make it fit if needed.

The engine is believed to be from a square originally.

Also, Should I try to fire this one up and see if it runs?
I am thinking I would open it up a little bit and at least clean it up, yah know get the dust off and stuff. The owner said that it was on his workbench for about 2 or 3 yrs, and it was in the 80somethin year old neighbor's garage for a while before that.
Being in college and with what little work I fit in getting slow, im kinda gettin low on money and was thinking that I would see if it ran first, and if it needed engine work, pull it out and save up some money for parts and the do a mild rebuild or something.

Hows that sound to you guys?
Any advice?

Thanks

Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:09 am

If it is an original engine from a pre 69, it will probably not work in your car I hate to say.
It does not have the mounts needed for the late IRS rear cross member.

You need an engine with a case from a 1969 and newer.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:16 am

I had one that sat for 29 years. It was full of mouse nest.
I changed the oil, adjusted valves,little oil in the top end,turn by hand and cranked it a bit before starting it. Ran it briefly several times before running it much.
I would remove the tins from any engine that has been sitting around.
After cleaning before removing tin.

Underneath

Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:21 pm

Russ Wolfe wrote: If it is an original engine from a pre 69, it will probably not work in your car I hate to say.
It does not have the mounts needed for the late IRS rear cross member.

You need an engine with a case from a 1969 and newer.

If i take a picture of the surface that mounts to the tranny will you guys be able to tell me?

Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:04 am

ZackN wrote: Russ Wolfe wrote: If it is an original engine from a pre 69, it will probably not work in your car I hate to say.
It does not have the mounts needed for the late IRS rear cross member.

You need an engine with a case from a 1969 and newer.

If i take a picture of the surface that mounts to the tranny will you guys be able to tell me?

No we need it from the cooling fan end. A shot showing about 5 inches either side of the oil pimp cover plate (making sure to get some of it in the shot) would be enough.

Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:06 pm

ok. ill go take pictures tomorrow.

Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:27 pm

So here are the pics of the engine i picked up.

Supposedly a 64-68? i dont remember the exact year he told me.

Any one know if this will work with my 71 square?

Thanks

Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:59 pm

look for the engine number on the top of the engine case

also check to see if the Heads are single port or dual port

Dual port started in 66 or 67

check the coil and what not and
if its a 6 volt than its a 66 or below
67 started 12v systems

Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:20 am

Cool! Ill go check all that stuff tomorrow and report back!
Thanks!

Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:00 am

the generator should say what it is

Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:31 am

That looks like a 67 engine.
Unless it has the rear hanger (I don't see it in the pictures), it isn't going to work in your 71.

Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:37 am

And, it may not have the hole in the head for the head temp sensor.
To leave it carbed, you are missing the carbs and linkage, and those are getting hard to find.
It is a 12V engine.

Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:45 am

you dont NEED the rear hangers for the engine

they werent there in 67 and it worked fine
It would be nice to have but not ness needed

Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:15 am

sharkskinman wrote: you dont NEED the rear hangers for the engine

they werent there in 67 and it worked fine
It would be nice to have but not ness needed

Absolutely needs it with an IRS trans. 67 had a swingaxle. Completely different set ups.

Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:32 am

Quote: Absolutely needs it with an IRS trans.
WHY?
the only real difference is that it has dual CV's
now with out the rear mount for the antivibration he has on the engine

but you could always put a hanger on it od do as the PO of adamsfasty did for the type 4 in it
a piece of strut and all thread up to the mounts

Not correct but easier and quicker than taking the end of the motor apart

Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:48 am

sharkskinman wrote: Quote: Absolutely needs it with an IRS trans.
WHY?
the only real difference is that it has dual CV's
now with out the rear mount for the antivibration he has on the engine

but you could always put a hanger on it od do as the PO of adamsfasty did for the type 4 in it
a piece of strut and all thread up to the mounts

Not correct but easier and quicker than taking the end of the motor apart

There were no frame horns on IRS Type 3s to support the transmission.

Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:27 pm

Its DualPort, and the generator says 14 V 20 A 30
im guessing that means its a 12v, since 14~15v is running voltage.

Where exactly do i find the engine number on the case?

Thanks

Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:30 pm

should be right infront of the oil breather on the case
?i think?
i havent looked in a while

Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:08 pm

Tip the engine up and get us a picture of the case in the area next to the oil pump. This will tell us if the engine can be used in an IRS car.
The engine number is not absolute. 1968 engines were "U" engine numbers, and did not have the cross member mounts.

Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:25 pm

Ok. Bottom of engine pics...

dont know if i actually got the correct photo. it was kinda difficult trying to balance the engine with one hand and take a picture with the other.
thanks for all the help guys!