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Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:26 pm

Alright that's good.

So what are some good carb suggestions?
I have been told to be wary of webbers because of adjustment screws backing out. My co-worker has kadrones (spelling?) and likes them.

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:38 pm

that's a first, somebody recommending kadrons over webers...I guess I have seen everything now.

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:43 pm

Doesn't Jake recommend Kadrons over Webers for ease of tune and quality?

Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:51 pm

supaninja wrote: that's a first, somebody recommending kadrons over webers...I guess I have seen everything now.

Not sure that they were saying they were better, just to be careful.

Are those mainly the only 2 types? Any others worth mentioning?

And is there a specific model that goes well with 1600 motor?

Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:06 am

kadrons are too tall for a type 3 so, these are out

stock solex pdsit's work great, with them you can use the stock oil bath air cleaner;
ICTs (real Webers, not chinese copies) are fine (get the good quality kit), but you can't use the stock air filter, which means you will be sucking hot air.
of course if you get the right short manifolds and airfilters you can run Weber IDFs or Dellorto DRLAs (you also suck hot air but then they can feed almost any size engine)

Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:02 pm

sorry Dellorto ! is what Jake recommends.

lol what was I thinking? :lol:

Yeah get Dellorto I hear they are pretty good.

Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:55 pm

vlad01 wrote: sorry Dellorto ! is what Jake recommends.

lol what was I thinking? :lol:

Yeah get Dellorto I hear they are pretty good.

I was about to say that I had never heard of one of Jake's motor's with kadron's.

Here's Supa's list of carby's for a stockish type3 (take it with a grain of salt cause I HATE carbs)

1. Solex PDSIT's
2. Weber ICT's

...and that's it, I won't ever recommend chinese knock off's for anything (AKA EMPI garbage)...period

Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:57 pm

DRLA dells are wonderful, but for a stock 1600 the stock solex PDSIT are easy enough to find and use the cold air intake with the stock oil bath.

Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:09 pm

supaninja wrote: vlad01 wrote: sorry Dellorto ! is what Jake recommends.

lol what was I thinking? :lol:

Yeah get Dellorto I hear they are pretty good.

I was about to say that I had never heard of one of Jake's motor's with kadron's.

Here's Supa's list of carby's for a stockish type3 (take it with a grain of salt cause I HATE carbs)

1. Solex PDSIT's
2. Weber ICT's

...and that's it, I won't ever recommend chinese knock off's for anything (AKA EMPI garbage)...period

If you didn't hate carbs so much you could read up on the v.2 HPMX's (EMPI IDF clone). I never could get my ICT's right.

Jake Raby wrote:
I am not ashamed of the EMPI carbs at all. We have learned the ins and outs of these carbs and have ONLY used them since 2008. Thats when I tested twenty pair of "genuine" carbs for another company and found that 70% of them leaked fuel internally and could not be repaired.

Here we use these carbs on our personal engines and we race with them and I can count my bad experiences with them since 2008 on one hand. No, you can't get out of the box performance with them. This car drives like it has a set of Dellortos on it and that is not an exaggeration.

BTW- these are the V2 HPMX units, they are much better out of the box than the older versions. I do not endorse EMPI products, however these are great foundations to start with.

Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:20 pm

I refuse to support communist

Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:28 am

Cool Guys! thanks for all the good info!
Why do you hate carbs supaninja?

Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:33 am

supaninja wrote: vlad01 wrote: sorry Dellorto ! is what Jake recommends.

lol what was I thinking? :lol:

Yeah get Dellorto I hear they are pretty good.

I was about to say that I had never heard of one of Jake's motor's with kadron's.

Here's Supa's list of carby's for a stockish type3 (take it with a grain of salt cause I HATE carbs)

1. Solex PDSIT's
2. Weber ICT's

...and that's it, I won't ever recommend chinese knock off's for anything (AKA EMPI garbage)...period

Yeah I don't like carbs either. I admit I am a n00b at carbs, I can't see or understand whats going on half the time. At least with EFI I have a great understanding of the system. And the fact EFI runs heaps better than carbs in most cases

Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:41 am

Root_Werks bought New EMPI carbs for his Monster square & new SP2 and is quite happy with them! 8)

I've never had trouble with carbs. It's usually a speck of dirt in a jet/orifice. I love to disassemble them in a drain pan with gas/paint brush/air etc and clean/reassemble them with the same gaskets. Proper jetting is easy if you have a selection of sizes. Worn throttle plate bushing is about the only thing that wears out.

Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:03 am

Mike Fisher wrote: It's usually a speck of dirt in a jet/orifice. I love to disassemble them in a drain pan with gas/paint brush/air etc and clean/reassemble them with the same gaskets.

I do the same thing. Done it quite a few times on each motorcycle and boat and chainsaw ect. Its fun to see whats inside!

Going to call a guy about carbs tomorrow.
Thanks for all the help so far guys, i really appreciate it.

Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:25 pm

supaninja wrote: I refuse to support communist

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: ad infinitum

This is among the most ridiculous posts I've seen on this site. For all the reasons not to buy Chinese, their government is #1? :lol:

Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:29 pm

They might be the new super power but it doesn't mean i have to support them, and I try to buy American whenever possible. I know being called a patriot is a bad word now but I don't give a rats. So I hope this is your new worst post on the samba RennyRB

Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:37 pm

Nothing to do with patriotism, just caught me off guard that red fear is still around in 2012. Besides, I mentioned government in particular because that's all it is. I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of Chinese involved in the VW aftermarket are a) not Communist personally, b) assembling parts for an American company (EMPI, everyone's favorite example). Just because someone lives in a country does not mean they subscribe to the government's philosophy. Closer to home: any Republican is ideologically counter to the POTUS, does that mean they should stop buying American goods?

....you decide :shock:

Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:48 pm

I grew up in the cold war and I have zero tolerance for communists, I have been to their countries and I see our country heading down that road right now, plus CHINESE PARTS ARE THE LOWEST OF LOW WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY! I wish, I wish, I wish everyone understood that. Pre-chinese aftermarket junk parts, it was Brazilian and Mexican parts that were the junk parts. Back to my main point, I'm not going to support that commie country any more then I have too.

Your partially right, I'll take it a step further the line between dem and repub is blurred right now. As far as party affiliation I'm a conservative independent. POTUS is really a marxist more then anything else.

Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:13 pm

This is getting political, and fast. So let the message to the original poster and owner of the new Squareback be: avoid cheap, low quality parts! Type 3 generally require good used pieces since the majority of their specific parts aren't made any more. Means you have to look a little harder, but will likely spend less and get something that fits. Enjoy the hunt!

*Obama is quite far from Marx - the beardmeister would not approve of his corporate worship. Over and out

Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:54 am

SOoooooooo....

Back to VW's...

Are the Solex brosol carbs ok to use? I know they are not the origonal german solexes, but they are still solexes.