TheSamba.com :: View topic

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:39 am

Green bug Guy wrote:
are you trying to prove a point? if you are trying to make the point that it doesnt matter for rails then thats fine? but i wasnt talking about rails... the first post was from a guy that has a baja not a rail... its always a good idea on a baja to have shocks. as for your rails i could give a shit cuzz im not talking about them! this thread is beat! ON Bajas its a good idea to have shocks, rails it dosent matter! FINISHED,,,hahahhaha no more chapped asses ya?

I never said it was suggested to run without shocks on a baja. I was offering my experience, while qualifying that it was on a rail with much less front end weight.

I could care less if people do or don't run shocks. I just don't form my thoughts and opinions based on consensus from the internet. I tried it, and it worked for me. Is it ideal? No, does it work for me? Yes.

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:48 am

hahah well that is fine! im just sick of peole trying to get hard ass on thesamba (not saying you are) hahah its the samba not myspace! but yes as for rails iv seen so many without shocks i cant count them! but for bajas i was just offering up my experience with no shocks on a baja.

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:49 am

Well make sure you go around telling the drivers of the rails without shocks you see that some dude on the internet knows a guy that died because he wasn't running shocks!

:P

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:59 am

Florida_Buggy wrote: Well make sure you go around telling the drivers of the rails without shocks you see that some dude on the internet knows a guy that died because he wasn't running shocks!

:P

[link to accident removed for traffic reasons]

Glad you can laugh about it.

Keep your front dampers on there SloboatNova, I know you said you're running mainly in 1st and 2nd gear but it only takes one vertical edged rut at 20-30mph and the car can easily end up with the sky in the wrong half of the window, it's not worth trying imo, look at the other guys suggestions of the limit straps and stops.

Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:23 pm

edited for useless anger thrust at pointless conversation.

Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:28 pm

twomonkeysayoyo wrote:

I think the point here is that you can do whatever you please, just don't offer it as "advice" when it is clearly stupid. God forbid someone who came here for advice take yours as the cheap way out and get hurt because you thought NOW might be the time to tell people about your totally irrelevant experience.

If people didn't offer advice around here, it would be a boring place. And I didn't offer advice, I offered MY EXPERIENCE. I didn't tell him he should do it, I told him that I did it and it worked for ME.

Go through this forum, it is FILLED with threads of advice offered from people who are not engineers nor vehicle designers. You honestly thing me telling someone I run without front shocks is worse than offering advice on roll cage design?

I don't have anger issues, I just have a low tolerance for BS, and people who sit on the net all day and deem what is safe and dangerous yet have no real world experience really irk me.

You guys should make your way over to the beetle forum where people run no shocks on full weight bugs that are street driven and leave me and my 1200 lb trail ride alone.

Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:34 pm

Florida_Buggy wrote:

I don't have anger issues, I just have a low tolerance for BS, and people who sit on the net all day and deem what is safe and dangerous yet have no real world experience really irk me.

I build MSA/FIA spec rally/safari cars, plus class-specced cages for many other car series, so forgive me if I contend that, I do have a little bit.

Florida_Buggy wrote:
You guys should make your way over to the beetle forum where people run no shocks on full weight bugs that are street driven and leave me and my 1200 lb trail ride alone.

As twomonkeysayoyo says, what you risk with your own life, and what you offer as safe advice to others are two different things. I know you didn't tell him to do it, I just recommended that he shouldn't try it, as it can have dire consequences that I wouldn't want anyone to risk without knowing.

If you've looked, you'll have seen I myself run a lightweight rail on trails, there's no way in hell I'd run without front dampers.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:17 am

You guys seem to have a lot of energy..... how about channeling that to something important like keeping OHV areas open

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php/77708-Another-Potential-Impact-to-a-OHV-Area

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:41 am

shred625 wrote: You guys seem to have a lot of energy..... how about channeling that to something important like keeping OHV areas open

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php/77708-Another-Potential-Impact-to-a-OHV-Area

Bit of a trip for me :wink:

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:48 am

PhillipM wrote: shred625 wrote: You guys seem to have a lot of energy..... how about channeling that to something important like keeping OHV areas open

http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php/77708-Another-Potential-Impact-to-a-OHV-Area

Bit of a trip for me :wink:

OK, I will let you off the hook on this one :lol:

Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:03 pm

Ok, now I'm ready to take my thread back. lol

I've already decided on limiting straps and KYB GR2's.

How important is it to run limiting straps on the back. I wouldn't think it would be needed since the spring plate can hit the stops. But none-the-less, I've have farely new POS coil overs that have busted seals. Do I just need a longer shock?

If this thread continues with the bickering, i will ask it to be deleted. Lets play nice.

Hey PhillipM, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Everyone here would have just as much passion on their opinion of this topic if they had recently lost someone they care about. Though I may be a stranger, please send my regards to the family.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:08 pm

Get some new shocks on the back and you will not need limit straps. Any bug shop should be able to steer you in the right direction on the shocks for the rear.

You wont need to run C/O shocks on the back unless you have taken the T-bars out.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:12 pm

sloboatnova wrote:
Hey PhillipM, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Everyone here would have just as much passion on their opinion of this topic if they had recently lost someone they care about. Though I may be a stranger, please send my regards to the family.

Thanks, it's not the first acquaintance we've lost in the sport - even lost one who was just trundling up and down a little flat lane at our workshops - and it's always been something silly that could have been easily avoided, hence being a bit vocal on the safety front.
Much as people like to think they'll get away with it, or it'll never happen to them, you need to get away with it every time your out, that one time you don't, your gone, and your family has to pick up the pieces...

Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:30 pm

PhillipM wrote:
you need to get away with it every time your out, that one time you don't, your gone

X2

Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:38 am

The rear downward limit stops work to a certian point.

If you repeatedly hammer the stop with the spring plate by jumping or too fast on a rough road they start to bend downward and inward allowing the spring plate to travel too far. When this happens, the cv's or the swing axle tube suffers damage.

If your driving will make the stop suffer this way, install this type of limiter, it works up to severe racing application:
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4016

They are weld on stops on top and bottom, then the outside strap bolts on the strengthen the stops and keep them from bending.

Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:41 am

joescoolcustoms wrote:
If your driving will make the stop suffer this way, install this type of limiter, it works up to severe racing application:

I wouldn't really make that comment without a sign-off from PhillipM ;)

Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:03 am

Florida_Buggy wrote: joescoolcustoms wrote:
If your driving will make the stop suffer this way, install this type of limiter, it works up to severe racing application:

I wouldn't really make that comment without a sign-off from PhillipM ;)

Hey Floridabuggy, will you just stop talking? Thanks

Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:05 am

Its all in good fun. I quit taking this thread seriously after the first page.

Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:16 am

Guess not

Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:17 am

Nope ;)