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Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:55 pm

thank you guys for all the help!! that last bolt was no fun! got them all out and its still stuck.pulled so hard the pea shooters came off!! can i take a pry bar too it or should i try to drop the tranny with the motor.thanks for any help and ideas.its dark now but ill start back up in the morning.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:59 pm

Place jack under the engine, jack it up just a hair, then pull back and wiggle. I'm assuming you also have fuel line, accelerator cable, heater cables, and the two heater hoses disconnected, also the rear tin....

Anybody: what did I forget to tell him???

No, I believe taking out the tranny attached is either extremely tough or impossible.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:04 pm

tried all that and still a no go.when i jack it up and down i can see the tranny go up and down.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:05 pm

Cusser wrote: Anybody: what did I forget to tell him???
Not to start a new thread. :wink: You should try to keep all issues pertaining to one problem within the same original thread. That way a problem can be dealt with from start to finish with more continuity than having multiple threads.

Remove (and label) wires from gen/alt., oil pressure sender, and coil.

crusadermike wrote: thank you guys for all the help!! that last bolt was no fun! got them all out and its still stuck.pulled so hard the pea shooters came off!! can i take a pry bar too it or should i try to drop the tranny with the motor.thanks for any help and ideas.its dark now but ill start back up in the morning.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! No prybars allowed.

crusadermike wrote: tried all that and still a no go.when i jack it up and down i can see the tranny go up and down.
I know you were having trouble earlier locating the starter bolt. so my stupid question is, did you pull the last bolt out or just remove the nut?

Double check all of the other connections that Cusser pointed out.

The motor should come out, wiggle it! Try adjusting how much tension is on the jack going up and down, you want to just take the pressure off of the two bottom studs, so the motor is no longer hanging on the trans. If your trans is going up you have jacked it too far.

Here is an overview of engine removal with pics from the Bug Me Videos.
http://www.superbeetles.com/Tech_talk/oct.htm

Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:47 pm

if you have all 4 bolts out, put a jack under the engine and lightly jack it up (just to hold it from dropping to the floor but enough to get the pressure off the transmission). then grab the intake manifold where it bolts to the heads, one hand on each side and pull on the manifold alternating sides (pull with left and push with right, then pull with right and push with left and so on) and it should break free.

Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:03 pm

I am going with the wrong bolt hypothesis.. even the heater cables and such would leave some give to it.

Is the tranny in neutral? Starter disengaged? It shouldn't be hard to pull it out.

IF you're all unbolted a good shake should un stick anything that's stuck.. Even if someone thought it was a good idea to permatex the two together.
I'm looking at the front of my engine/ back of tranny. There's nothing to stick. Unless its been sitting for EVER and the clutch is somehow rusted to the input shaft?
Make sure you've got your lines and cables disconnected and that rear tin. It won't move much with the rear tin in.

and got the right starter bolt? You said it was hard to take out right? It shouldn't have been. Its fairly easy to get to.

Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:50 am

Did you disconnect the coupler?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:01 am

Support engine.

remove 2 lower nuts holding engine to transmission from transmission side.
remove drivers side bolt, near clutch lever, from transmission side.
remove nut from UPPER starter bolt from engine side.
If it is still stuck, step on clutch pedal.

Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:49 am

Are you sure you didn't remove the bolt that just holds the starter to the tranny and not the one that goes through starter tranny and engine?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:14 am

thanks for all the help.i have the 4 bolts out including the one that has the half moon head.gas line and accelerator cable off.all the wires.the rear tin.i can grab the exhuast and pick the motor up and move it up and down and side to side.i worked on it for 7 hours.i worked on cars for 9 years and just don't get it. The tranny has no 3rd gear.maybe that's making it stuck?im to the point of cutting the tranny in half.

Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:26 am

crusadermike wrote: thanks for all the help.i have the 4 bolts out including the one that has the half moon head.
Have you ever taken out a VW engine before? Are you sure you got the correct two lower "bolts"? There are threaded studs that stick out of the engine housing into holes in the transmission bell. You remove NUTS on the lower part to get the engine out, not bolts. Did you remove the motor mount carrier bolts by mistake?

Quote: i can grab the exhuast and pick the motor up and move it up and down and side to side.i worked on it for 7 hours.i worked on cars for 9 years and just don't get it. The tranny has no 3rd gear.maybe that's making it stuck?im to the point of cutting the tranny in half.

Have you rotated the engine to a different positions and tried again? I wonder if it's possible that the clutch plate hasn't been off in so long that it's stuck on the transmission output shaft?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:09 pm

das wha I'm sayin brah.

Only way. Has to be stuck to clutch splines OR bolts are wrong.
The other thread had clear depiction of bolts.. so.. It may jus be stuck.

Can PB blaster through the weep hole in bottom of engine/tranny?

Maybe, put in gear and have someone grab the tire try rock-em back and forth while someone wiggles the engine.

WHat else could it be. Unless the starter is jammed in there somehow... Or someone force the wrong flywheel in there and bolt it up and never try to start it.

I wonder if car was running recently. Usually ya don't get much rust inside the bell housing.. but I have seen some people's picture.. all rust up.

You can take out the tranny with the engine... maybe work out better in this case.

Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:21 am

dan macmillan wrote: Support engine.

remove 2 lower nuts holding engine to transmission from transmission side.
remove drivers side bolt, near clutch lever, from transmission side.
remove nut from UPPER starter bolt from engine side.
If it is still stuck, step on clutch pedal.
Have you done these steps?

Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:28 am

thanks for all the help.when looking at the haynes manual i thought the photo was from the back of the the car so i took out the 2 21mm bolts.got the motor out and it makes soo much sense now.i just hope the tranny goes smooth now.

Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:04 am

crusadermike wrote: thanks for all the help.when looking at the haynes manual i thought the photo was from the back of the the car so i took out the 2 21mm bolts.got the motor out and it makes soo much sense now.i just hope the tranny goes smooth now.

Ah--so you DID take out the motor mount carrier bolts rather than the lower stud nuts? Glad it was something so simple. The trans should be easy by comparison--it's much lighter.

Good luck!

Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:50 pm

zeroman wrote: I am going with the wrong bolt hypothesis..
Is the wrong bolt hypothesis now the wrong bolt theory?

Had you covered in the original thread. :wink:

booch wrote: ...The top two are bolts going from the transmission side of the bellhousing towards the engine.

The bottom two are studs from the engine with nuts on the transmission side.

Good luck with your trans repair.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:34 pm

The old "Magic Bolt" theory again....