TheSamba.com :: View topic - Dist and carb choices for a stock 1600 DP

Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:48 pm

I know this has been covered before and I really did do some digging in the forums. This a new, bone stock 1600 DP going in a 1963 bug.

I have some "free" choices readily available to me as well as the normal ones that are listed on CIP1.com

My question is that all the posts about SVDA dist. tell people to refer to www.oldvolks.com to find out what their distributor is. This website does tell you what kind of vehicle it originally came on, but I can't find anywhere that is specifies SVDA, DVDA, or mechanical only. Is there an easy way to identify these dist by sight?

Below are the Bosch dist. part numbers I have. I also have the choice of rebuilding a solex 31 PICT-3 or 34 PICT-3. This car will be a daily driver that I want to be spunky, but most concerned about MPGs. Would I be better off to rebuild one of these carbs and pick a dist from the list below or just order new units from CIP1, or a combination of both. The 31 and 34 PICT carbs that I have are in good shape with no throttle shaft slop.

Dist. Bosch part #s
0231 115 056
0231 137 039
0231 147 002
0231 178 009
ZV/PAU 4R2

Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:17 am

the SVDA distributor is the 034 at lest those are the last 3 digits
i can go out and pull the rest of the model number off of mine tomorrow when i have some light

id say rebuild the 34 pict
if im not mistaken the number is reference to the throttle plate size so the 34 would give you a little more power

and the svda works very well with that carb since thats what it was designed to do

Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:27 am

63 roach coach wrote: My question is that all the posts about SVDA dist. tell people to refer to www.oldvolks.com to find out what their distributor is. This website does tell you what kind of vehicle it originally came on, but I can't find anywhere that is specifies SVDA, DVDA, or mechanical only. Is there an easy way to identify these dist by sight?
If there is no vacuum canister, there is no vacuum advance. If the vacuum canister has two places to connect vacuum hoses, it is a Dual Vacuum (dual action, that is) canister and the distributor is a DVDA.

I use http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm for distributor specs. You can search the page for the Bosch part number.

For example, your 0231 137 039 comes up as follows:

Quote: Bus & Pickup 1968 * 1600

Distributor: VW 113-905-205M, Bosch 0231 137 021
Can Use: VW 113-905-205T, Bosch 0231 137 035 or 036
Replacement: VW 111-905-205AA, Bosch 0231 137 039
Points: 01 013
Points Replacement Plate Assy: VW 111-905-227B, Bosch 1237 110 139
Condensor: 02 007 - Note: If equipped w/AC use 02 069
Rotor: 04 006 (Replacement uses 04 033)
Cap: 03 001 (Replacement uses 03 010)
Parts Kit (Washers, Shims & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 070 007
Coil: 00 015 (Blue Coil: 00 012)
Vacuum Can: 07 024 (Replacement uses Bosch 1237 121 400)
Ignition Wires: 09 001
Spark Plug: W8AC
Timing Set At:: 0deg TDC Static or @800-950rpm w/strobe w/vacuum hose disconnected and plugged
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum (Advance Only): 17-19deg @ 1.3 In. Hg, 32-35deg @ 3.2 In. Hg

Note that last part. Only Vacuum advance specs are given. When there is a mechanical advance, "Centrifugal" specs are also given.

Max

Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:35 am

Your 0231 115 056 (Beetle 1969 * 1500 Auto-Stick Trans) is the only SVDA unit on your list. I would try it with the 34pic3 carb.

Max

Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:57 am

Cool Thanks for your help, I did not see the vac and centrifugal specs at the bottom.

I knew if there was a vac canister, it had vac advance. Mostly, I was curious about how to tell if it had both types of advance.

This is a new motor and I'm a little nervous about starting it for the first time and using a dist that might work correctly and might not. Is there anything should be aware of with the timing on a new motor and a possibly good dist. I am fairly confident in my carb rebuilding skills that I can build and set-it up initially but the dist. is scaring me a little.

One of things that drives me nuts on these little motors is how there are so many variable in carbs and dist set-ups and they all seem to have there own timing set-ups as well. Then I also keep hearing how timing is critical and setting it incorrectly can causing engine cooling issues.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:07 am

63 roach coach wrote: I knew if there was a vac canister, it had vac advance. Mostly, I was curious about how to tell if it had both types of advance.
This is a DVDA with a 34pic3 carb.

Max

Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:47 am

Know of anyone that has used either of these distributors? I know a lot of people are against electronic ignition because its not stock and when they go out there is no warning but I like the idea of not having points to worry about. I am thinking that maybe just getting a new distributor might be the way to go. The 039 that I have has a lot of vertical play in the shaft and Im not sure if the others I have will work.

http://www.hot-spark.com/Hot-Spark-SVDA034-3BOS4U1.htm

http://www.hot-spark.com/1-Hot-Spark-Bosch-SVDA034.htm

Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:02 pm

the dvda has a vaccum retard for smog so that might be a good choice if you need to get it checked and are having trouble passing.

the svda i have has model number 0 231 170 034 and it runs great. its what lots of the new production svdas are based off of

the way to tell if its dual advance is you hold the bottom and try and spin the rotor if it moves the distributor has a mechanical advance
so if it has that plus a vaccuum can its a dual advance

Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:12 pm

No need for smog where I am at, especially since its so old. Do you know anything about the newer distributors that where in my other reply?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:51 pm

63 roach coach wrote: Know of anyone that has used either of these distributors? I know a lot of people are against electronic ignition because its not stock and when they go out there is no warning but I like the idea of not having points to worry about. I am thinking that maybe just getting a new distributor might be the way to go. The 039 that I have has a lot of vertical play in the shaft and Im not sure if the others I have will work.

http://www.hot-spark.com/Hot-Spark-SVDA034-3BOS4U1.htm

http://www.hot-spark.com/1-Hot-Spark-Bosch-SVDA034.htm

The first link is a Chinese "reproduction", the second link it the Mexican made Bosch ( but with the ? China made elec ignition?)

I know some that have issues with the Chinese made unit right out of the box ( while some have not) and I have heard of many of the electronic modules failing in short order. ( One of the reasons as you stated, they fail with out warning and I still prefer points and condenser myself) I am not sure what Hot Sparks warranty policies are. Just like so many other things these days it boils down to the quality control of the new parts/manufacturer.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:57 pm

056 is from a 68 autostick will likely work ok with the 34 PICT

039 is a service replacement for 1500-1600 engines will work with the 31 PICT

002 is from a late 40 hp through 1500 and may work well with the 31 PICT but not the 34 PICT

009 will work with the 31 PICT but not recommended with the 34 PICT

4R2 was very early 40 hp and will not work well with either carb.

I'm not a big fan of the Chinese 034's your thinking about or the EI mods but I am biased because I am a distributor rebuilder :wink:

Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:21 pm

What about this petronix unit. There is no vacuum advance so I am assuming it will not work well with the 34 PICT.

http://www.vwparts.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRO...ange_high=

I have been told that the 31 PICT will not work well with my 1600DP. Is that true or will it work OK just not as much power as the 34 PICT?

I love the Samba! There are so many knowledgeable people out there ready to lend advice to my dumb ass.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:44 pm

i dont know about the ones in the links but the bosch version i have works great

there are some modules that are only mechanical advance
if you look at them there is a full circle base plate where the ones that work on vacuum advance dont have the full circle base plate and just mount where the points go

if you dont need smog then dont go with a dvda go with the svda

i cant tell you about the 31 as i've never run it but the 34 is great for a 1600dp

you can make a straight mechanical advance distributor work but the svda will work better trust me i ran a german 009 and it was night and day when i switched to the 034

Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:51 pm

I'm trying to make the same decision, I just happen to have a 34pict3 and an 049 dizzy, DVDA. I believe these 2 were paired stock. Good combo?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:27 pm

63 roach coach wrote: No need for smog where I am at, especially since its so old.
Canyon County Idaho where even the county goverment defied the feds and refused to have the county vehicles tested for emmissions. And here's a good article about installing the distributor, the same site has tons of great info.... http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/instdist.htm

Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:48 pm

I dont know was there a federal mandate about smogging? I have not picked up a news paper or watched the news for several years. Yep 2C

Thanks for the article. I will read through it before installing what ecver I end up with.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:18 pm

The only reason for not going to a DVDA distributor on a 1600 is to avoid the feeble vacuum can found on these distributors. Usually the retard side of the can fails while the advance side is fine. Lot's of people simply plug off the retard side even if it does work.

I am currently running a 113 M single vacuum advance distributor mated to a 30 PICT 1 carb on a dual port 1600 and I am very happy with the combo= smooth and economical.

Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:21 pm

So assuming it's all in good working order, it should work well? Or at least fine until I can get an electronic kit?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:25 pm

Yes that combo should be fine assuming everything is in GWO.

Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:05 am

Any body using one of these? Its a Petronix Flame Thrower SVDA

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PER-D186504